Hypothetical History 61: If Ma Jian did not make a mistake, would Zhuge Liang s Northern Expedition

There is a huge disparity in national strength and population. It is unlikely to succeed.

Ma Tan was killed by Zhuge Liang mainly because he lost the strategically important street pavilion, which belonged to the position that the Shu and Wei kingdoms must fight for, and then Ma Tan lost it, in order to appease the government and the opposition of the Shu State, and gave an explanation to the government and the opposition of the Shu State, he had to kill.

Ma Tan violated military law, he received a military order but did not complete the task; And the main reason is that he does not act according to Zhuge Liang's layout, for the sake of military justice, Zhuge Liang can only kill him.

boasted that Haikou also failed, Ma Jian made a military order, and then because of his own mistakes, the Northern Expedition failed.

We are already familiar with the historical story of the loss of Ma Tan Street Pavilion and Zhuge Liang's tears and beheading Ma Tan. We all know that victory and defeat are common things in soldiers, and if you lose a place, you have to kill a general, which is a bit too absurd and unrealistic. Then why kill Ma Tan, this is because the street pavilion guarded by Ma Tan was too important for the Shu State at that time, and the loss of the street pavilion made the Shu Han army lose the best opportunity to continue to advance into Shaanxi, in order to give an explanation to the Manchu civil and military forces, Ma Tan had to die.

Then we might as well make a bold assumption: if Ma Tan hadn't lost the street pavilion, would Zhuge Liang's Northern Expedition be successful?

First of all, the Shu Han regime at that time was already riddled with holes. As we all know, there are many big families in Shu, and they are always thinking about seeking personal interests for themselves, and at the same time, the Shu Han regime can use fewer and fewer talents. Slowly, everyone is no longer willing to work together to the outside world.

In the end, the Shu Han regime was depleted, which eventually left Zhuge Liang with no more talents. It is precisely because of the lack of talent that Zhuge Liang wants"Pull out the seedlings to help grow"Cultivated Ma Tan. In fact, it is difficult for Zhuge Liang, because under the circumstances at that time, there were too few people who could reuse it.

Another point is that Zhuge Liang made a comprehensive plan very early, and the main plan was to take the Xiliang area first. Then, with the geographical advantages of Xiliang and the abundant products, it can provide logistics support for the Northern Expedition in the later period. But how could Wei know nothing about this?

Moreover, at that time, there were talented people like Sima Yi in the Wei State, and the street pavilion was so important, why didn't Sima Yi understand the truth? So this also shows that this is the place of Jieting, no matter who guards it, Wei will definitely try his best to take this city. Therefore, the loss of the street pavilion is almost an inevitable thing, just a matter of time.

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Looking at this matter from another angle, the economic ability of Shu Han at that time was too weak, because Liu Bei failed to lay a good foundation when he was alive, so compared with Shu Han and Cao Wei, this economic strength is simply a world of difference. Moreover, the north where Cao Wei is located has been the main producer of grain since ancient times, and if there is really a war, Shu Han will not be able to win, after all, the problem of grain, grass and military salaries is a big problem. In addition to economic problems, the transportation in the Sichuan-Shu region is also very complicated, the logistics are always not guaranteed, and they are at various disadvantages, how can Shu Han defeat Wei?

And the most important problem is the internal contradiction in the Shuhan group. At that time, Shu Han had basically been divided into two factions, and the two factions did a lot of hurtful things in order to fight for their own interests, which made Zhuge Liang also very headache. On the other hand, the Wei regime is different, because there is no problem with the transfer of power, and Cao Wei also attaches great importance to the protection of the people, and the people can be regarded as living and working in peace and contentment, so for Shu Han, an outsider"Intruders", the people in the north are still resistant.

Judging from the above factors, it is certain that the Shu Han regime will eventually come to an end.

Yes, if Jieting had not been lost, his follow-up deployment would not have been disrupted, and the strength of the First Northern Expedition was the strongest, so the chance of success was particularly high.

It won't work out either. Because Zhuge Liang has a strong opponent, that is, Sima Yi, as long as Sima Yi is still there, Zhuge Liang's Northern Expedition will not be successful.

It didn't succeed either, because Zhuge Liang's food supply couldn't keep up with such a long front, because the terrain was too rugged. Moreover, the strength of Wei is far above that of Shu, and the population is more than that of Shu, so Zhuge Liang cannot defeat Wei.

Hehe! Don't think about the impossible! That's a disease to be cured!

It is possible to succeed, because in the first Northern Expedition, the location of the street pavilion is very important, and if Zhuge Liang is defended, he can concentrate on attacking the enemy.

If it can be held, then Zhuge Liang's first Northern Expedition may be successful, because it will occupy a favorable factor.

No. The plan of the Northern Expedition was to take it step by step, and holding the street pavilion was only one small step. Ma Tan's guarding the street pavilion can only be the first step of Zhuge Liang's first Northern Expedition, and there are still two, three, four, and five steps to follow, and only when they are successful can it be said that the Northern Expedition has succeeded.

Therefore, Ma Tan is not the main reason for the failure of Zhuge Liang's first Northern Expedition at all, you must know that Zhuge Liang's Northern Expedition was unsuccessful five times.

In the first Northern Expedition, after Ma Tan lost the street pavilion, why didn't Zhuge Liang take the street pavilion back?

The Northern Expedition of Shu Han is obviously a war that is not certain, Kong Ming six out of Qishan, Jiang Wei nine expeditions to the Central Plains, it can be said that none of them shook the rule of Cao Wei, some people think that the first battle of the Northern Expedition is the best chance to succeed, this sentence is right, this is to say that the street pavilion is not lost, it can defeat Cao Wei. This theory is wrong, even if the street pavilion is in Kong Ming's hands, this is just a guarantee that Shu Han can completely withdraw! The street pavilion is indeed a choke point, but the gap between Shu Han and Cao Wei is not just this!

The difference between the two countries is not a street pavilion, but the north that Cao Cao has operated for many years, and the southern corner of the south that Liu Bei has not been operating for a long time. Kong Ming's Northern Expedition, Cao Wei did not panic too much, they knew that Shu Road was difficult, it was difficult to go to the blue sky, only there was no grain and grass, Kong Ming only retreated, tens of thousands of troops had no grain and grass, and they would definitely be in chaos without a fight. Ma Tan's defeat was just a precursor to the failure of the Shu Han Northern Expedition.

So let's continue to explain today's problem, if you don't use Ma Tan, who should be used to guard the street pavilion? To put it bluntly, I think anyone can win, in the Shu Han army, although the green and yellow are not accepted, but this kind of thing is stationed, even if Zhao Yun is sent, he can hold it, as long as one is sent to listen to Zhuge Liang's words, it is very easy to hold it!

The failure of this matter is that Zhuge Liang is not bad at employing people, or that Ma Jian deceived Zhuge Liang's trust, which is an obvious thing, before the Northern Expedition, during the Southern Expedition, Ma Jian offered Zhuge Liang an attack. Before that, Kong Ming didn't dare to believe Ma Jian too much, because before Liu Bei fell ill, he told Kong Ming: Ma Jian's words are exaggerated and cannot be used!

Liu Bei is a dragon and phoenix among people, and he is still relatively accurate in seeing people, such as Ma Yan. This defeat, Ma Jian made Kong Ming lose the best opportunity for the Northern Expedition, and after losing this opportunity, Kong Ming himself knew that the Northern Expedition was hopeless. Whoever sent Wei Yan to guard the street pavilion, he will definitely be able to defend it, he is a self-aware person, he knows that there is nothing wrong with listening to Zhuge Liang, it is indeed like this, as long as he grasps this truth!

This matter needs to be implemented, not to make suggestions in the past, Ma Jian is a little clever but was mistaken by cleverness, Kong Ming is obviously to let a person get the merit of war this time. If Ma Tan is not smart but is mistaken by cleverness, he must be able to get a very good development. In the later period of the Shu Han Dynasty, he was already facing a situation where no one was available, and Ma Tan, as a student of Kong Ming, would most likely not be very low if he was obedient and obedient, and his status after Kong Ming's death would probably not be very low.

So for "Zhuge Liang's first Northern Expedition, if you don't use Ma Tan, who will guard the street pavilion have a chance of winning?" "What do you think?

Couldn't succeed. Zhuge Liang's Northern Expedition was not to be successful, but to take the initiative.

It can't be successful, because the enemy army is too strong, and the strength of Shu is gradually declining.

Still unable to succeed, Shu Han's national strength was already very weak, and the grain, grass and troops were insufficient.

Kong Ming is assisted by a pig-like teammate, not a person with imperial talents, who is doomed to failure, and Liu Bowen is assisted by Zhu Yuanzhang, who has imperial skills, so Liu Bowen won.

If Ma Tan had guarded the street pavilion, Zhuge Liang's first Northern Expedition would not have been able to succeed against the sky. Zhuge Liang went out of Qishan and went north to the Wei State. Only the first time was the closest to victory, and the other remaining few times did not have a chance to achieve the final victory.

But even so, Zhuge Liang still did not give up the attack on Wei, because he knew that the gap between Shu and Wei was very large. The longer the time drags on, the stronger the Wei State will be, and the weaker the Shu State will be. Only by seizing the opportunity to smash Huanglong directly can the existence of the Shu Han regime be guaranteed.

Zhuge Liang actually attacked our country with a kind of luck mentality, and he knew that he would not be able to complete his desire to unify the world in his lifetime.

Although Zhuge Liang led the first Northern Expedition in the early stage, it was very smooth in the early stage and achieved a phased victory。But it was the national strength of the Empress of Shu and the State of Wei that determined the outcome of the war, and at that time the Shu State could only support Zhuge Liang to take the Yongliang region, and if he continued to advance, he would encounter stronger resistance, and whether Zhuge Liang could hold out to the end was a question. At that time, the national strength of Wei was much stronger than that of Shu, and as long as Wei blindly defended, Zhuge Liang had no way to take them.

So in the end, Zhuge Liang will definitely not be able to achieve the final victory.

Zhuge Liang asked Ma Tan to go to the town to guard the street pavilion. It's actually a very puzzling thing. Although Ma Jian has a little talent, he has never led troops to fight in actual combat.

Letting such a person with no actual combat experience go to guard such an important place is not like Zhuge Liang's style. If he sends generals who are experienced in war to guard the street pavilion. It was completely able to hold this place, but Zhuge Liang didn't do it.

Ma Jian and Zhao Kuo are the same kind of people, they can only talk about kung fu and can only play tricks。But when it comes to the battlefield, it is useless at all, and I don't even know the basic art of war.

It is very likely that the street pavilion garrisoned by Ma Tan is a traffic artery, and if you hold the street pavilion, you can attack and retreat, and the first Northern Expedition is very likely to be successful.

Zhuge Liang's first Northern Expedition would not succeed, the climate at that time was very bad, and the number of troops was too different from the enemy's, and even if Zhuge Liang was very smart, it was impossible to succeed against the sky when the environment was so vicious.

Zhuge Liang's first Northern Expedition would not be successful, the number of Ma Jian soldiers was more than 10,000, the number of Zhang Ge soldiers was 60,000 or 70,000, and the street pavilion road was wide, which was equal to 1 dozen 6. Zhang Ge kissed the number of soldiers into 6 batches, and the non-stop attack night and night was not bad if he could hold it for a week

In fact, whether Ma Tan can hold the street pavilion or not, in essence, has no crucial relationship with whether Zhuge Liang's first Northern Expedition can succeed, even if Ma Tan guards the street pavilion, it is just for Zhuge Liang to win a longer period of time than the street pavilion.

Ma Tan did not guard the street pavilion, and after going up the mountain, the water source was cut off, and he basically did not resist, and he himself ran away from thirst. Zhuge Liang lost his military heart, and it was good to be able to save his life and return to Shu, and in the end the Northern Expedition became a joke. Since then, Shu has once again lost the strength to unify China.

If you camp on the road and the barrier is deep and the ditch is deep, although Zhang He is brave, he refers to a scolding battle, not a fortification. This is Zhuge Liang's preference and the credit given to Ma Yan.

When Zhuge Liang arrives at the street pavilion, Zhang He is by no means an opponent, and history will be rewritten.

It's simply impossible. With 20,000 people encamped, it was only a matter of time before it was broken.

At most, it is to gain a firm foothold in the territory of Ma Chao in the past, and have the ability to slow down, so that there is no need to climb over the mountains again and again, which increases the probability of success. But there is still a gap in its own strength, and Vawei has changed from the original 28 to a comparison.

It's hard to say, in fact, the first Northern Expedition has the best chance, if you hold the street pavilion, maybe you will take Liangzhou!

The purpose of the first Northern Expedition was to capture Longyou, and if the street pavilion was held, this strategic task would be successful.

At that time, there were fourteen states in the world, Cao Wei had ten states, Sun Wu accounted for three, Zhuge Liang wanted to sweep the world with Yizhou, how could he succeed, you think he is Liu Xiu!

Take Liangzhou, and it is okay to follow Chang'an

The date of the Battle of Jieting is 228, and the date of Meng Da's death is also 228, do you think Zhuge Liang will dare to continue the Northern Expedition after Meng Da's death?

You can occupy Yongliang, the world has changed, and troops from Hanzhong and Yongliang will attack Chang'an.