Why are most of the Ming fans very sensible, but the Qing fans tout the Qing Dynasty uncontrollably?

The so-called Ming and Qing Dynasty disputes are just seen on the Internet, and in reality, I have asked many people who don't know what the Ming and Qing Dynasty disputes mean and have never even heard of them, and some people even see those Ming Fans and Qing Fans on the Internet who are confused when they debate, and they don't even know who Ming Fans and Qing Fans are.

The reason why there are many Ming fans is that this is a dynasty established by our Han people, and the integrity of the Ming Dynasty emperor makes us respect. The Son of Heaven guards the country, and the king dies.

The reason why there are so many now is because many people think that the Ming Dynasty was actually very good and very stable.

Ming fans said that the Ming Dynasty was so powerful, and the Qing Dynasty said so rubbish, how could they explain that the Ming Dynasty couldn't even beat the Qing Dynasty?

Why can't you beat it? Don't talk about Yongle, what is Zhu Shenli like? What is the name of Li Chengliang's dog? How did Nurha die? When the country was weak, it was normal to lose a few battles at the border, and the Han, Tang, and Song Dynasty also lost.

So Cao Wei Dai Han, and finally returned to Jin, so Jin is stronger than Han? Without natural disasters and plagues, the Manchus could only be dragged to death and could not enter the Central Plains.

Tang, Song, Yuan, Ming and Qing dynasties, one destroyed the other, China's 5,000-year history, each dynasty is inferior to the Qing Dynasty? The Jurchens are invincible. How could the Jurchens not be invincible in the Chenghua period?

It's not Ming powder, the Ming Dynasty died in civil strife and has nothing to do with the Qing army. After Wu Sangui surrendered, he fought with the Nanming and peasant armies. Also, whether a dynasty is powerful or not is relative, not only vertically.

At the end of the dynasty, the qi has been exhausted, and no one has the power to return to the sky, you let Nurhachisheng try it in the era of Ming Chengzu, there is no chance at all. However, it was also the end of the dynasty, facing the same opponent, the Ming Dynasty won the "Renchen War", but the Qing Dynasty was defeated in the "Sino-Japanese War", doesn't this explain the problem?

It is Li Zicheng who is not clear in the Ming Dynasty, read more history and talk less about this kind of naïve question.

It's not just the Qing Dynasty, even the peasant army can't beat it.

Just like the late Qing Dynasty couldn't beat the foreigners, they couldn't beat the revolutionary party.

At the end of the dynasty, the combat effectiveness was not good, you let Zhu Yuanzhang and Nurhachi bump.

The Manchus took advantage of the internal contradictions of the Han people to rise to power.

The Ming Dynasty lost to civil strife and traitors. It is equivalent to losing to himself, and the Manchu Qing is very witty to pick up leaks.

At the peak of the Ming Dynasty, the Manchus were still being savages, so let him try it.

The Qing Dynasty was so powerful, how to explain why the foreign powers ceded land and paid reparations when they invaded?

Is there a comparison between the last dynasty of a dynasty and the first dynasty of a dynasty outside the Lingwai?

So may I ask, who did the Qing Dynasty fight in the last years?

Reason:

1. Because of the death of the Ming Dynasty and the Qing Dynasty;

2. Because the Manchus were foreigners. History is a mirror, and it brings experience and lessons, not capital for scolding.

Because the Qing Dynasty was the last feudal dynasty in China, and ushered in the most humiliating time period ...... China

The Ming Dynasty is not much better than the Qing Dynasty, but it is better than the Qing Dynasty if it is bad.

There is really no need for the powder feudal dynasty, it is all half a catty and eight taels.

In the history of China, there have been two naval battles with Western countries, but the results were very different. These two dynasties were the Ming Dynasty and the Qing Dynasty. At that time, the Ming Dynasty also won wars with Portugal and the Netherlands.

Needless to say, the Qing Dynasty in modern history can be said to be the object of everyone's bullying, and there is even no room for resistance.

The first is the Industrial Revolution. The Industrial Revolution began in the 18th century, and the Ming Dynasty was destroyed in the mid-17th century. To put it simply, although both dynasties of the Ming and Qing dynasties fought alongside the Western powers, their strength against their opponents underwent a qualitative change.

At that time, the Ming Dynasty faced a small number of European armies, and the Ming Dynasty was good at shipbuilding and had an absolute advantage in naval warfare. Each country would go through a different era, and the Ming Dynasty developed significantly faster than them.

First of all, I want to explain that the Ming Dynasty fell because Li Zicheng broke through Beijing, not because the Qing army did not hold it, and the Qing army entered the Central Plains.

Secondly, any dynasty has a period of prosperity and decline of national strength, the Ming Dynasty began to decline from the change of Tumubao, and then there were Zhang Juzheng, Qi Jiguang and others, and there was a rebound, but since the late Wanli period, it was extremely corrupt, the army was weak in combat effectiveness, the treasury was empty, Nurhachi and his son Emperor Taiji repeatedly invaded the northeast, Sun Chengzong for the construction of the defense line, so that the imperial court invested a huge amount of military spending every year to make matters worse, but this is no longer a helpless thing. And because of the harsh taxes and miscellaneous taxes, a popular uprising broke out in the northwest, Zhang Xianzhong, Li Zicheng, and groups of enemies poured in. There is no power to return to the sky.

And it is actually biased to say that the garbage of the Qing Dynasty is still biased, and the prosperous era of Kangqian is still good, but the military of the Qing Dynasty is still basically stuck in the last years of the Ming Dynasty. And the modern history that everyone knows later, so that everyone has a worse impression of it.

This can only show that the Ming Dynasty was not as good as the Qing Dynasty at all, and the Ming Dynasty was indeed very poor in military strength at that time.

Qing fans said that the Qing Dynasty was so powerful, and the Ming Dynasty was so mediocre, how to explain all kinds of magic at the end of the Qing Dynasty, 30,000 people beat more than 1,000 people in France and were killed 3,000, and only a few dozen people died in France. In the Battle of Bali Bridge, 50,000 Eight Banners fought against 8,000 British and French troops, and only 1,200 people were lost. The Ming Dynasty immediately learned from the other party's ** and imitated it after fighting with the foreigners, Zheng Chenggong recovered Taiwan, and the battle of Xicaowan was not a victory for the Ming Dynasty?

The Qing Dynasty mobilized 100,000 troops and could not defeat the British Far East Army with only 10,000 troops.

My nephew is 10 years old this year, and 20 years later, my nephew can beat Tyson, and then I can ask why the 75-year-old Tyson can't even beat my 30-year-old nephew.

When Tyson is eighty years old, I can take him down with one punch, so I'm better than Tyson? I'm embarrassed to say that, but some people really have the face to say it.

If the Ming Dynasty hadn't had so many kings ignoring the government and eating, drinking and having fun, the Qing Dynasty would not have perished so quickly.

The Ming Dynasty was basically sold by the southerners, especially the useless scholars. It's good to play with Daming. The country is ruined, and the family is ruined, and he only thinks about making money. Therefore, the southerners can only let them develop the economy and let them become officials, and in the end they will all end up in ruin.

The Guanning Group blocked Shanhaiguan, and the Manchu Qing Dynasty did not come in for decades! After Li Zicheng occupied Beijing, the Manchus had a chance to enter the customs!

Ten years of cerebral thrombosis, less than a year can not ask this kind of question, you compare the late dynasty with the beginning of a dynasty, just like you punched the Nanshan nursing home and kicked the Beihai kindergarten.

Boxing champion Ali can't beat those young boxers of the same level when he gets old, so can't Ali? When the landlord was 90 years old, he couldn't beat a 20-year-old young man, so the landlord was garbage all his life, right?

The full tartar was put in by Wu Sangui. And the Ming Dynasty was not destroyed by the Manchus! The Ming Dynasty was defeated by one enemy and three under the drought and plague, Zhang Xianzhong. Li Zicheng, Nurhachi. The Manchu Qing Dynasty just picked up the leak.

I don't dare to say history, and I haven't seen it, but the big braid yin and yang head is really ugly

The fight was only because of the internal constraints and internal strife of the civil officials, and the military generals preserved their strength, did not contribute to the work, and boasted that the barbarians had strong combat effectiveness and asked the court for money. The military general raises his own respect.

I remember that the Ming Dynasty was defeated by Li Zicheng's exile army, which is equivalent to a wave of internal loss within the Ming Dynasty, and then Wu Sangui let the Qing army enter the customs, taking advantage of Li Zicheng's exile army to act tyrannically and unpopularly, seize the imperial capital, and then Li Zicheng was personally encircled and suppressed by Wu Sangui, which can only show that the dynasty was definitely not weak at that time, but the internal friction was exhausted.

Ming fans said that Shen Naming and Ming were so powerful and the Qing Dynasty was so rubbish, how could they explain that the Ming Dynasty couldn't even beat the Qing Dynasty?