China s fourth generation new aircraft! What are the 4th generation aircraft in China?

J-10 is a domestically produced third-generation aircraft The internal code No. 10 project is completely independent intellectual property rights The engine is also domestically produced It should belong to the dawn engine factory of AVIC Group However, the engine development is relatively slow Therefore, the initial verification model uses a Russian engine This is the model announced in the news The air intake has six stiffeners It is to adapt to the Russian engine After switching to a domestic engine This part will be adjusted Some people say that the J-10 shape and electronic system are French I don't know the information from ** It may be that the J-10 looks like a Rafale, so it is said that in terms of aerodynamic shape, it is more ideal to push the canard wing and increase the delta wing, so there is no need to imitate The key is that this technology cannot be imitated, because even if the other party provides an example of the aerodynamic shape, in order to obtain the data of the aerodynamic shape and match it with other systems, it is still necessary to conduct a new test It is equivalent to taking off your pants and farting Besides, no matter what military technology, France will be subject to the embargo on China If this kind of thing we can all understand Then France will have a very big political crisis in the EU.

The J-11 is the domestic version of the Su 27, so I won't introduce it much.

The J-12, known as the "Li Xiangyang in the air", is a light fighter that has been transferred to the reserve, not so much like a fighter plane, but rather a technical verification machine, his nose air intake, aerodynamic shape similar to the MiG-20 and Su-27, outstanding maneuverability, but the avionics system and the range ** system have no development potential, so it was quickly dismounted.

J-13 is also a light aircraft from the beginning of the program is very similar to the F16 to replace the J-6 later turned to copy the MiG-23, that is, the MiG-21 (J-7) on both sides of the air intake modification, but later found that it does not match the actual needs, so dismounted, but there is a little more interesting, at the beginning of the Sino-Pakistani joint development of the "Thunder Dragon" project, at the beginning was also intended to develop a modification based on the J-7, but later, the Pakistani side was clearly dissatisfied with this plan, the plan was overturned from the new design, according to common sense, from the new design of a type of aircraft It will take a long time, and China quickly completed a new design scheme, that is, the "Thunder Dragon" that we see now, the speed of the world was shocked, and the shape and function of the FC1 turned out to be a bit similar to the J-13 back then, it seems that the technical reserve is still quite useful.

J-14 is the most divine in circulation, but it is also the most disappointing Germany** was the first to announce his existence It was later confirmed that this is just a high-quality fake news created by netizens**. Other than that, the information that can be found is blank, and this is absolutely top secret, and I don't have to count on it, I absolutely don't know.

In addition, the projects that have also been transferred to the technical reserve There are also projects like the Qiang-6, China's first variable-swept wing attack aircraft, but unfortunately it has been dismounted.

The upstairs don't understand the meaning of hugging Z.

The fourth generation should be J

However, there is no leaked information yet. All that is circulating on the Internet is speculation. But according to the tradition of our army, the next generation should have made significant progress.

I don't know if you're talking about the FC-1 Thunder or the J10?

The FC-1 really reflects the high level of aircraft building in our country.

Its whole machine design, electronic system, and air intake tract are excellent.

Unfortunately, the engine is still Russian.

There are no J-12, and 13,

These 2 kinds died when they fought again!

That's J-10, it's a 3rd generation, it's called a villain abroad, it's not completely domestic, the engine still uses Russia's, and the appearance and electronic system are all French technology In fact, this plane has been out for 1 year, but the country has blocked the news

If in accordance with the latest American standards, and traditional Russian standards. The fourth generation is what we usually call the third generation. That is, the SU27, J11, J11B, and FB7A belong to fighter-bombers.

It is biased to be classified into fighters. If it is a traditional generational method, that is to say, F22 belongs to the fourth generation. Such a fighter is not yet available in our country, and it is under development.

If it is divided according to Russian standards, the J-10, J-11, Su-27, Su-30, and Flying Leopard all belong to the fourth-generation aircraft, but according to the standards of the United States, our fourth-generation aircraft have not yet come out.

First of all, I am not an expert, and my mastery of military ** is also very pale, that is, I read it in magazines.

1. The fourth-generation aircraft we have seen and talked about are the same as aircraft carriers, which must have been reviewed by relevant departments to inspire the pride of the people and fool foreigners. There is an interesting saying: in the Soviet era, many ** were already equipped with troops, but the West did not understand it, and secrecy was done very well.

In the Russian era, some "new-style, latest technology" news was often thrown, but they were all in the experimental stage and eventually aborted or simply fake. This is because he also lacks enough confidence and doubts about his strategy. I really have hard goods in my hands, and I still show you something, everything that shows off is bottomless.

2. Thrust vectoring technology is high-tech, but not new technology. It should be built on a country's strong basic manufacturing industry and high-quality talents. At present, compared with other major countries, China's most fatal weakness is the basic manufacturing industry.

It can be designed, but it cannot be created, which is a shortcoming of China's national defense. At the end of the last century, a large number of China's basic manufacturing industries have been stagnant for various reasons, for a long time, washing machine liners are imported, now you say such a car brand, there are several car engines are completely domestic independent intellectual property rights, only two are. It's because our basic manufacturing industry is too backward.

At least 20 years behind the United States. The engines of the J-10, Thunder, and L-15 are all RD33 engines used in the directly purchased Russian MiG-29. The ARJ21 is also equipped with foreign engines, and when Chinese aircraft will be able to use their own engines, I think it will take at least 20 years, because the production line for manufacturing engines requires a certain amount of time to build.

If we can build the engine of the fourth-generation fighter, then it is impossible for the domestic large aircraft ARJ21 to spend foreign exchange to buy the engine of foreigners.

Question: To be honest, I'm not very familiar with these two technologies, but I don't think that China's fourth-generation aircraft will necessarily have this kind of technology. We're not that advanced yet.

One of the international standards for fourth-generation aircraft is that they can cruise at supersonic speed, if they can't cruise at supersonic speed, then stealth is worthless. Personally, I think that there are two weaknesses of Chinese aircraft at present, one is that the engine is not good, and it all depends on the purchase of foreign ones.

The other is that radar, electronics, and fire control technology are weak, which is basically the level of the United States in the 70s, and it would be good to catch up with the level of F16A. Don't look at a **, just think how powerful the fourth-generation aircraft is, and many real things we don't know.

1.It should be the official news, but it's only **, and the rest of the data has not been announced.

2.At present, only the United States and Russia have vector propulsion technology, and the gap between the United States and the United States for domestic engines is still very large, and even car engines cannot be built well, I don't believe that we can really have vector propulsion technology in 15 years.

3，4.These 2 questions are not easy to answer, because there is no test flight now, so Shenma are floating clouds, from the ** point of view, and T50 and F117 tail are different, do not rule out because of the power problem of the domestic engine, not that I am not patriotic, the domestic engine is too bad, of course, you can also say that the fourth generation aircraft really formed combat power It will take 15-20 years, we can wait for the engine technology to mature (F22 was established in 1971, and the combat effectiveness was formed in 2006), in addition, from the perspective of appearance, This aircraft does not belong to the pure air superiority aircraft of the F22, and is more inclined to ground missions.

I only hope that our country will do it in a down-to-earth manner, not rush for quick success, and always think of taking shortcuts, because this is a common disease of our nation.

J-10 leaked much earlier than this, and the Internet was still not so developed at that time. It's harder to spread than to leak. Now everyone has a mobile phone, and the mobile phone is a camera, and after shooting, it can be uploaded to the Internet casually. What can you do if the big ** keeps silent?

So far, I haven't seen a single domestic fighter using thrust vector control technology, how can the technology be solved? The United States played the F-15Active, F-16Vista, F-18HARV, X-31 to make the F-22. As a thrust vector control with combat value, it is impossible to rely on manpower, but to be integrated into flight control.

On top of this, there is also the problem of stealth, thrust loss, longevity, and to this day to meet all of them, only the nozzle of the F-22 is feasible.

If we talk about engines, the WS-10 is only used in place of the AL-31.

The full-motion control canard has appeared more than once on modern fighter jets, and it is different from the conventional layout trade-offs, and it has nothing to do with thrust. The EF2000 and the EJ200 are basically world-class thrust-to-weight ratios. In terms of flight control, the J-10 has long been used enough.

But it is certain that the control of the radar signature in the words of the canard wing will cause great trouble, as long as it is not larger than the main wing. In particular, the canard wing must constantly control input in flight to ensure the normal flight of the static and unstable aircraft.

As for the full-motion vertical tail, you have to understand that the plane is not a missile, and the control force of the four wings is the same. The steering maneuver of the aircraft is mainly a combination of roll and pitch, rather than the control of the yaw axis. There is no doubt that full motion will provide more yaw torque than with the rudder surface at the same size, and if you don't do it, then of course the RCS will be reduced somewhat.

But that's not the point, the biggest effect of a vertical tail for a fighter is to avoid sideslipping, especially at large angles of attack, which can lead to a spiral. The chopped short hanging tail threatens this function, and the pelvic fin is added without thrust vector control. Another problem is that if there is input, the relationship between the RCS effects may be reversed, and the increased corners of the pelvic fin are more lethal at many angles than the size of the hanging tail, and the stealth design is more difficult.

Ideally, this pelvic fin is a safety measure during flight testing, just in case, and it should be removed in mass production depending on the situation.

Thrust deflection is currently not a substitute for aerodynamic control, but conversely, the advantages of thrust deflection cannot be compensated for by improving aerodynamic design. Good aerodynamic design will indeed greatly improve maneuverability, but even the most powerful wing will stall at a 90-degree angle of attack, and it is useless to move without speed. And at high speeds, pneumatic control is also half the effort.

Thrust deflection is not only not affected by these factors, but even does not produce induced resistance, and is much less harmful to stealth than deflection control surfaces. The F-22 happens to be near-perfect on both fronts.

That's a fake picture with a computer-made special effect.

It has already been said that it is blown by foreign **, and what is blown by foreign ** is to blow the full-motion vertical tail to be so bossy, which is not in line with the theory at all.

Wait until you do, this doesn't count.

1, obviously acquiescing in the leak, a few ** who went to get the air police 2000 were arrested, and no one was arrested this time, so I don't know what to do.

2, if it is not vector push, then what do you think of the white chrysanthemum of Chiguo (al31 chrysanthemum is black with baked blue, WS chrysanthemum is shorter), F22 The reason why chrysanthemum is like that is that it should only use 2D vector push, which is technically simpler than 3D vector, F22 actually sacrifices part of the mobility.

3, that is obviously a full-motion tail, but obviously not a vertical tail, as for the side canard, which involves the problem of technical inertia, each country has its own technical research trend and direction, the appearance of the ecstasy duckling shows that this is indeed China's self-designed aircraft, because it has a technical undertaking with J10, the same thing T50 can also see the figure of the golden eagle, F22 also has a technical undertaking with its previous verification aircraft.

As for the advanced or backward technology, it is impossible to judge at present.

4. If the appearance of these structures to improve mobility means that the engine is poor, then does such a large body in turn indicate that the engine has excellent performance? It remains to be seen whether the engine is excellent or not, of course, the aircraft flew at such a short distance without afterburner, what do you say about the performance of this engine (Note: Al31 engine chrysanthemum is black with baked blue, WS chrysanthemum is shorter than J20 white chrysanthemum, and no matter which of these two engines is equipped with J10 to take off at such a short distance to drive afterburner, needless to say, ......）

ps: Seriously agree with ASD7226949, there are too many military blindness, it is recommended that LZ go to see what a vector engine is, don't look like a chrysanthemum like F22 is not a vector engine.