It s a good way, it s a very good way. Contains a logical error? Listen to me

Bai Juyi said when he was young that the Tao cannot be spoken, why would Lao Tzu leave 5,000 words to say the unspeakable Tao? This is called refutation, use Lao Tzu's words to refute Lao Tzu!! You can't refute Jesus' theory with the words of the Buddha.

Jesus said that what he said was wrong, and Lao Tzu said"The only constant in the universe is change", this can be the truth you are talking about, but it is not the Tao, it is only a small part of the Tao. You can understand the Tao as a law and the truth, but the Tao cannot be spoken.

The only constant in the universe is change. There is also a similar sentence in the Tao Te Ching, which is contrary to the movement of the Tao, on the contrary, what changes is the root of the Tao.

For your question, I have another small question, Lao Tzu said that what can't be said is the "Tao", you put it now"tract"Translated into truth, right?

It is precisely because the only constant in the universe is change, so Lao Tzu does not say the Tao, and what cannot be said will never be wrong!!

The Tao Te Ching also has a hypothetical premise, and this premise is the existence of the Tao. Just as religion assumes the existence of their god, the existence of this god is the basis of everything in religion. You have this doubt because you are not following the assumptions of the Tao.

It is clear that "the only constant in the universe is change" is the truth, not the Tao!

"It's a good way, it's a very good way. It is a high degree of indignation at the truth, in figurative terms; The Tao is the truth that ordinary people can understand, and the extraordinary Tao is the truth that extraordinary people can understand. The philosophy of this ... One word, enlightenment!

I think you're all right, but I think I'm right. You may have overlooked the following sentence; The name is famous, and the name is not very famous. I think the name here refers to the name of fame and fortune, the same sentence structure used in the two sentences, the understanding of the front is so deep, and how to interpret the back.

Besides, his understanding, the predecessors have emphasized an enlightenment, what does enlightenment mean, I think it is comprehension, and the heart is a little clear! What does this mean? I thought it was pretty simple.

Why, for example, can you understand the current scientific knowledge? No, you have to learn step by step.

His enlightenment is about us to experience it in our lives, right? Then his words are telling us how to live in the world. Do you think I'm right?

"Tao Ke Dao, Extraordinary Dao" involves one of the most important issues in Chinese philosophy: "speech" and "meaning".

After reading all of you, I foolishly thought that Haixin, Hazelhawk and others were already very good. But it does not seem to be from the perspective of Chinese philosophy.

There are roughly three kinds of arguments about the meaning of speech: full speech, incomplete speech, and complacent. Taoism holds the latter two - Confucianism is also in favor of not being able to do what is not enough, and Yi Chuan said through the mouth of Confucius, "Words are not enough, so the sage erects a statue to do his best." Demonstrate consistent conciliatory thinking.

The Tao can be said, but the Tao cannot be said to be inexhaustible - it is the "Logocentrism" criticized by the French master. So how to solve this problem? Lao Tzu's solution is to reluctantly do it, borrowing allegories and metaphors to guide, so the extreme Zhuangzi always uses allegory to explain the Tao for this reason.

As for what you said, it is not Lao Tzu's view. Moreover, truth has a relative characteristic, Newton's theory can be placed on the earth, but it is difficult to say when placed in the universe.

The truth of truth is only meaningful on a metaphysical level, and there is no concrete truth.

Regarding "Tao Ke Dao, very Dao", you misunderstood, let me explain it to you in plain language:

What does "Tao" refer to? In the Tao Te Ching, there are different interpretations of different places, and the opening chapter here refers to: the beginning of all things.

All things are born from the "Tao", and the "Tao" contains all things. Man is one of all things, and if a person can express the Tao, it is impossible to be on the opposite side of all things. Therefore, "the Tao is the way, the very way" not only has no logical error, but in fact, it itself is expounding a logic.

Other mystical explanations are too ridiculous, "the metaphysical is the way" "I Ching" This sentence is very clear, this is the pre-Qin philosopher's thinking on metaphysics, later generations introduced it into mysticism, Taoism also came to mix a foot, so that many people are now full of nonsense.

In my opinion, the questioner did not have a deep understanding of Chinese philosophy, but this is understandable, how many people who have decorated their own façade with Chinese philosophy these years understand philosophy? However, the questioner made a low-level logical error, which is unforgivable in the current environment where education has become Westernized. Take a look:

Original title: "The only constant in the universe is change!" "— This is a recognized truth, and it has been expressed in words, according to the standard:

"It's a good way, it's a very good way. Then "the only constant in the universe is change!" "It's not a real truth!

Reasoning is that the universe does not change!

Interpretation: This question is followed by a subjective assumption after a seemingly rigorous syllogism. The only constant in the universe is change!

is not the truth', can launch "The universe is not changing!" "What? The questioner put the phrase "The only constant in the universe is change!"

The opposite is understood as "the only constant in the universe is the unchanging!" "But this is a logical error. The opposite of this proposition should be "The only constant in the universe is not change!"

"Not changing" does not mean "not changing", it can also be other, such as impermanence (impermanence cannot be represented by words including "change" and "change").

Also, taking a step back, even though "the only constant in the universe is the unchanging!" "Established, it can't be deduced" The universe will not change! Because this proposition is not a full proposition, it only describes the only part of the universe that does not change, not the others, if the other parts can change, then the universe can change.

Haixin's is already very generalized, and I will add a little.

The first sentence of the Tao Te Ching has actually said everything that should be said. The avenue is invisible, and it is not easy to comprehend, how can it be said clearly.

The landlord's argument is also good: the only constant is change. However, shouldn't the phrase "what does not change change" also change because of its own meaning? That's the paradox.

A paradox is a blind spot in logic, a singularity in breakthroughs. The existence of paradoxes makes people understand the limitations of language and the constraints of logic. Lao Tzu realized it, and tried to break the obsession with pointing, yes, and the loud sound of the breath. Therefore, the path of the heart can only lead, not give.

It is time to abandon the pure judgment of right and wrong.

You're a very thoughtful person, very good.

But is Lao Tzu an ordinary person? Can you break his theories so easily?

Tao does not mean "truth" at all, so if you reason on the basis of error, the results of the deduction cannot be correct.

The only constant in the universe is change! —This is a recognized truth, how do I not feel that this statement is the truth? This statement itself is contradictory, and where is the truth?

Agree with Hazelhawk - statement.

You made the mistake of "identifying the finger as the month". Lao Tzu's words are meant to be beyond words. It is only through continuous practice that one can realize the meaning of this sentence. It's also a little useful to think about it, but it's probably not going to be of much use. I really want to understand. Let's learn Buddhism, Taoism, and practice.

It's just an imposed term. The Tao is formless and cannot express itself in words. It's just a general expression in words, which can guide people who want to understand her, and how to understand it depends on your own brain.

Wrong, what's wrong? Everything can be understood and thought about from different perspectives. There are right and wrong because there is a standard.

You can understand what he means by correspondingly to his perspective.

I believe that the Tao is the law, just as man is the law of the earth, the earth is the law of the sky, the heaven is the law of the Tao, and the Tao is the law of nature. The Fa is a method, doing a thing to achieve a goal, there are many methods, it is a kind of change in itself, no one can explain the change, nature is also changing, but there are changes that people have no way to explain.

The metaphysical way is ontological. Out of nothing, the Tao gives birth to all things. Tao and nothing are essentially the same. The Tao is not the truth, the truth belongs to the category of "being", and it is objective in Marx's philosophy. And the Tao is spiritual.

Lao Tzu's Tao does not refer to truth, something similar to the laws of nature.

A law is a concept of summarization, consisting of many principles, which are not for you to follow, but just to summarize.

Look at the Tao Te Ching, and in the end, you will find that the root of heaven and earth is the Tao, and the foundation of the Tao is nothing!

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It is not the truth, but the origin and master of the universe.

Why, to understand it simply, "Tao can be Tao", doesn't it mean to be reasonable?

In detail, it is the truth that does not change, and it becomes the whole universe, which is the dialectical reasoning.

It means that as a thing, the "Tao" has nothing to give, and everything to welcome; Nothing is destroyed, and nothing is accomplished, that is, the Tao can be all-encompassing and omnipotent.

This quote comes from an article in the book "Zhuangzi" "The Great Master". The thought of "Zhuangzi" contains elements of naïve dialectics, and the main idea is "Heavenly Tao Wu Wei". There is an element of naïve dialectics. It is a system of subjective idealism. Advocate "inaction" and give up all reckless acts.

Dao Ke Dao is very Dao, the name is very famous, the ancient road west wind thin horse, withered vines and old trees faint crows, poor mountains and bad waters, Diao people shrew, dry bones in the grave, Panasonic ghosts, sons and grandsons, talented and beautiful women, high mountains and flowing water, big waves and sand, through the clouds and cracked stones, one Buddha was born, two Buddhas Nirvana, mouth spit lotus, hood golden light, hand waving five strings, Wang Yang wanton, heaven and earth, a line of egrets on the blue sky, door to Dongwu.

Thousands of miles ship. Be sure to remember the original text!

Original text] Tao Ke Dao, very Dao; The name is famous, and the name is not very famous.

None, the beginning of the world; Yes, the mother of all things.

Therefore, there is often no desire, in order to observe its wonder; There is always desire, in order to observe it.

These two have the same name and the same name, and they are the same mysteries.

Mysterious and mysterious, the door of all wonders.

Translation] The truth that can be spoken is not an eternal truth in the philosophical sense; A name that can be expressed in words is not an eternal name in the philosophical sense.

"Nothing" is the cornerstone of heaven and earth, and "being" is the source of all things.

Therefore, we should always observe and comprehend the mystery of the Tao from nothingness; We should always observe and experience the clues of "Tao" from "being".

"Nothing" and "have", both of which are the same but have different names, can be called subtle and far-reaching.

It is not ordinary mystical and profound, but mysterious and mysterious, far-reaching and profound, which is the method of the mystery of all things in the universe.

"It's a good way, it's a very good way. The name is famous, and the name is not very famous.

Nameless, the beginning of heaven and earth, famous, the mother of all things.

Therefore, there is often no desire, to see its wonder, and there is often desire, to observe its subtlety.

These two are the same and have different names, the same name is the mystery, the mystery is the mystery, and the door of all wonders.

Translation: If "Dao" can be expressed in words, then it is Chang "Dao" ("Dao" can be expressed in words, it is not ordinary "Dao"); If the name can be named in the text, then it is a common "name" (the "name" can also be explained, it is not an ordinary "name").

"None" can be used to describe the state of affairs when the heavens and the earth are in chaos; And "being" is the name of the origin of all things in the universe. Therefore, we should always observe and comprehend the mystery of the Tao from nothingness; We should always observe and experience the clues of "Tao" from "being".

These two, ** the same but with different names, can be called mysterious and far-reaching. It is not ordinary mystical and profound, but mysterious and mysterious, profound and profound, and it is the general door of the mysteries of all things in the universe (from the "famous" mystery to the invisible mystery, "Tao" is the way to understand all the mysteries and changes).

There are often three interpretations:

1. If the Tao can be spoken, it is not the eternal Tao.

2. The Tao can be spoken, but it is not the common way of the world.

3. The Tao can be spoken, but the Tao is not a permanent and unchanging way.

From "Lao Tzu".

Original text: Dao, but the Tao, not the constant Dao. The name can be named, and the name is not constant.

Translation: If "Dao" can be expressed in words, then it is Chang "Dao" ("Dao" can be expressed in words, it is not ordinary "Dao"); If the name can be named in the text, then it is a common "name" (the "name" can also be explained, it is not an ordinary "name").

"It's a good way, it's a very good way. The name can be named, and the non-famous means the so-called Tao, and what can be said is not the real Tao; The so-called name, the name that can be said to be exported, is not the real name.

Nowadays, Taoist thought is widely spread, and mentioning "Tao" refers to the "Tao" of Taoist thought. However, in the pre-Qin period, Taoist thought was not so extensive, and "Dao" did not only refer to the Tao in Taoist thought. Therefore, Lao Tzu first stated to the people of the pre-Qin period at the beginning.

The Tao I am talking about is not the Tao that you have encountered, but the word "Tao" is used here to refer to my thoughts.

Just like in modern mathematics, pie is used to refer to pi. Modern people are accustomed to pi is pie. But in reality, pie was just a symbol in the beginning. If Lao Tzu decided to replace Tao with other words at that time, such as using, pai can be supper, very spie. It's all the same thing.