If there is no file, can it be counted as a payment for the payment period?

OK! Just when your previous file is lost.

Before participating in social insurance, the length of service of the insured person in a public unit is counted as "the number of years of contribution to social insurance", which is one of the conditions for calculating the amount of pension in the future.

deemed to be the number of years of payment for social insurance" is based on the file.

When calculating the amount of pension, it can only be calculated according to the actual number of years of your social insurance contributions, and it is a pity that there is a lack of "the number of years of payment that is regarded as social insurance".

If you don't have a "deemed social insurance contribution period", it doesn't matter if you don't want the original file.

Because when calculating the amount of pension, you only have the actual number of years of social insurance payment as a condition, and there is no problem of losing the "number of years of payment that is regarded as social insurance".

The actual number of years of social insurance payment is based on the procedures for paying social insurance premiums and the social security card, and can also be found on the social security website.

For more information, please consult Labor and Social Security**12333.

When an employee applies for the approval of pension insurance benefits, it involves the issue of the pension insurance period, which generally includes the deemed payment period and the payment period. Among them, the payment period is to pay the pension insurance premiums on time in accordance with the provisions of the social insurance institution, which shall be included in the pension insurance period according to the regulations, that is, the actual payment period. The deemed payment period is mainly for the employees of the former state-owned and collective enterprises (and other types of work that are included in the deemed payment period according to the provisions of the state) before the establishment of the local pension insurance system.

In the determination of the deemed payment period, there are generally two approaches: one is when the employee reaches the statutory retirement age or meets the statutory conditions for receiving pension insurance benefits, he or she applies to the local social insurance agency for verification and issuance of benefits, and then the deemed payment period will be counted, and he needs to provide information such as the original file; Second, although the insured person has not met the statutory retirement conditions, and the local social insurance department has approved the deemed payment period in accordance with the regulations, it is sufficient to apply directly when the statutory retirement conditions are met. If the original file of the insured is lost, it is recommended to report to the local social insurance agency first (necessary supporting materials need to be provided), and finally review whether it meets the requirements for the deemed payment of pension insurance.

The first step is to ask the social security department to issue a written notice that the length of service will not be counted and go through the supplementary procedures. Some windows will not give you a notice and will verbally tell you that you need incomplete materials, such as the original letter of transfer, recruitment form, etc.

The second step is to find materials from the original unit, If there is a deemed payment of seniority and special types of work, there must be a personal file, the personal file is lost and can not be retired, the personal file is generally managed by the organization and personnel department at or above the county level or equivalent to the county level, you can go to the higher authorities to check whether there are copies and similar information, the files of middle-level cadres are filed by the higher personnel department, as the management department of the archives is responsible, you can go to the original unit to communicate and understand, Search according to the clues of the record presented by the file advancement.

The third step, the unit archives in accordance with the provisions of the archives law, all the archives that are over 30 years old, generally have to be transferred to the archives into the code for safekeeping, the archives must not be responsible for the management of personal personnel files, mainly unit files, after the discovery of copying, stamped with the official seal of the archives, this is a copy of the historical record, is legally effective, on the contrary, the original unit issued a certificate will generally not be.

Then go back to the social security department where you retired.

In the fourth defense department, if unfortunately it is not found and the materials are still incomplete, then it can only be litigated.

The following situations cannot be considered as the payment period:

1. Personnel who have not been regularized, who have been dismissed, removed from the list, who have voluntarily resigned, resigned, or who have violated the law and committed crimes are not treated as the same number of years;

2. Retirees who do not have work experience in state-owned enterprises, large collectives, government agencies and institutions do not have the same number of years of treatment, that is, they only have work experience in foreign enterprises, joint ventures, and private enterprises, as well as non-laid-off workers in the society.

The deemed payment period refers to the continuous working time calculated according to national regulations before the actual payment period of the employee's total working years. Before the implementation of the basic pension insurance premium system jointly paid by enterprises and individual employees, the time of continuous service calculated according to national regulations can be regarded as the "deemed payment period", and the pension insurance can be calculated and paid together with the actual "payment period".

The circumstances under which the payment period is deemed to be are as follows:

1. After the regular employees of government institutions are transferred to the enterprise, they should participate in the basic pension insurance for employees of Qiling nuclear industry, and their original working years shall be regarded as the payment period;

2. The military age of the retired servicemen during their service in the army can be regarded as the number of years of pension insurance, and the time to be allocated due to organizational reasons after retirement is also regarded as the payment period, and the time of intermittent work due to personal reasons cannot be regarded as the pension insurance payment period;

3. The time for urban intellectual youth to go to the countryside is regarded as the payment period;

4. Employees engaged in special work stipulated by the state can be regarded as the number of years of pension insurance payment if the working hours are converted into continuous service years.

Article 13 of the Social Insurance Law of the People's Republic of China Before the employees of state-owned enterprises and public institutions participate in the basic endowment insurance, the basic endowment insurance premiums that should be paid during the deemed payment period shall be borne by the first.

When the basic endowment insurance is insufficient, it will be subsidized.

Article 16 Individuals participating in the basic endowment insurance who have paid contributions for 15 years when they reach the statutory retirement age shall receive the basic pension on a monthly basis.

Individuals who participate in the basic endowment insurance and have paid contributions for less than 15 years when they reach the statutory retirement age can pay for 15 years and receive the basic pension on a monthly basis; It can also be transferred to the new rural social endowment insurance or urban residents' social endowment insurance, and enjoy the corresponding endowment insurance benefits in accordance with the regulations.

Summary. Hello, dear, yes, the same as the payment period must be filed! Archives are proof!

Hello, dear, yes, the same as the payment period must be filed! Archives are proof!

Because in order to determine the number of years of payment for this leniency and concealment, it is necessary to provide a valid personal file, clearly record in the personal file, from which year to which year he has participated in the work unit, and each year has a corresponding salary schedule, but also has a corresponding recruitment table, only with the basis in the corresponding files, the Department of Caution can determine the deemed payment period.

For the former permanent employees of state-owned enterprises (including enterprises after restructuring), the payment period shall be determined according to the actual number of years for which the enterprise and individual employees have paid the basic pension insurance premiums in full, starting from July 1992, when the basic pension insurance premiums paid by individual employees were implemented. In July 1992, before the individual paid the basic old-age insurance premium, the continuous length of service calculated by the employee in accordance with the national and provincial regulations was regarded as the payment period.

If you must file the same payment period, you must provide the file to the staff when you retire!

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If there is no file during the deemed payment period, the file that is regarded as the payment period will be directly retained, and it will not be reviewed when you retire. In fact, the reason of the social security department is also very simple, that is, although we have reviewed the information before. However, the previous file information is not necessarily accurate, and the file must be based on the file at the time of retirement, and the file will be managed by the social security department after retirement for future reference.

It is very cost-effective to determine the payment period only on the basis of the employee's file. Moreover, in many areas, the payment period is regarded as the same as the payment period, and the transitional xing pension is additionally issued, which is much better than the normal payment.

What should I do if I don't have a file during the payment period?

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If there is no file during the deemed payment period, the file that is regarded as the payment period will be directly retained, and it will not be reviewed when you retire. In fact, the reason of the social security department is also very simple, that is, although we have reviewed the data mining before. However, the previous file information is not necessarily accurate, and must be based on the file at the time of retirement, and the file bench will be managed by the social security department after retirement for future reference.

It is very cost-effective to determine the payment period only on the basis of the employee's file. Moreover, in many areas, the payment period is regarded as the same as the payment period, and the transitional xing pension is additionally issued, which is much better than the normal payment.

Dear, you can also refer to the return posture: but in fact, it is regarded as the number of years of payment, and it is not that no one has paid the money. According to the provisions of the Social Insurance Law, the social insurance premiums during the deemed payment period shall be borne by **.

Therefore, the relevant departments will still open random inspections on the files of retired employees who have handled social security to prevent the occurrence of abuse of power for personal gain. It is true that this approach of the social security department does not start from the perspective of convenience for workers. It is better to keep the files that are regarded as the number of years of payment, and no longer review them when you retire.

However, relatively speaking, if other departments use these files, especially those who have enlisted in the army, it will cause trouble for the archives management department.

What information should be in the file for the determination of the deemed payment period?

Kiss! It is regarded as a large payment period, and what information should be in the file, mainly looking at the following materials: First, before the establishment of the pension insurance system, the length of service of regular employees (or labor contract workers) working in state-owned rolling enterprises can be regarded as the payment period.

In the second step, the number of years of intellectual youth who go to the mountains and go to the countryside can be regarded as the number of years of payment. In the third step, the military age of the demobilized veterans before the implementation of the pension insurance system can be regarded as the number of years of payment. Fourth, before the merger of pension insurance (October 1, 2014), the working years of regular employees working in government agencies and institutions during this period can be regarded as the payment period.

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Hello dear, it's a pleasure to answer for the hungry you shed high relief!! If the file is lost, it is regarded as the number of years of payment, and you need to bring the information to the Social Security Bureau to apply for seniority qualifications first. The deemed payment period refers to the working years before the state implements the labor contract system and pays the pension insurance in accordance with the law, or the working years that meet the requirements of the deemed payment period recognized by the state, can be regarded as the payment period.

An important basis for determining the deemed payment period is the employee's file records and the corroboration of relevant original materials to determine the deemed payment period. Archives are important information for employees, and there are strict management procedures and generally will not be lost. According to the regulations, it must be the original information, and any certificate is invalid, so the only solution is to find the original information, such as the stub of the recruitment procedures, the wage table of the unit to pay wages, the attendance sheet, and so on, as evidence.

If there is no relevant evidence, it is impossible to determine the deemed payment period.