As soon as the Eight Banners appeared, did Li Zicheng s peasant army collapse?

Indeed, when they appeared together, Li Zicheng's peasant army collapsed, because they were stronger and well-trained.

Because after all, Li Zicheng's peasants are just a group of low-level peasants, and the Eight Banners are regular troops, so it is normal to say that they can't fight.

Li Zicheng's peasant army was not strong in combat, and even the regular army of the Ming Dynasty could not defeat it, and as soon as the Eight Banners Army entered the pass, the peasant army naturally collapsed like a sheep meeting a tiger.

Because Li Zicheng and they have no organizational discipline, they don't have any special skills in combat, and the Manchu Eight Banners are strictly disciplined, and the Shang clan is also relatively advanced, so it is impossible for Li Zicheng to fight the Eight Banners Army.

It may be that the troops are not enough, and such strength is not enough for the enemy, so they have been defeated again and again.

Li Zicheng's personal combat ability is good, but he cannot manage his own team, and the discipline of the team is not strict, so it is easy to lose the support of the common people.

Li Zicheng's rebel army was complex, and it was not as disciplined and organized as the Eight Banners.

The problem of combat effectiveness, the policy of Emperor Chongzhen, the policy of the Southern Ming regime, the change of mentality of Li Zicheng's group, the will of the people, the impact of the influence, you have no base and hungry people who have no food to eat, there are not many generals.

Although the Qing Dynasty was located in Liaodong, it had long had the ambition to swallow the whole world, and had always paid close attention to the operational situation of the Ming army and the peasant army in Guannai and thought about countermeasures. On April 21, 1644, the troops of the Dashun army came to the foot of Shanhaiguan and began to attack the city, and Wu Sangui's Guanning soldiers counterattacked. The two sides fought fiercely for a day and a night, and Wu Sangui gradually became overwhelmed.

Hong Chengchou and Lu Xiangsheng were able to completely abuse Li Zicheng, but they all collapsed instantly when they encountered the Eight Banners Army, so the outcome was no suspense.

Because Li Zicheng's peasant army was composed of peasants, it did not have any combat effectiveness. In the face of the brave and good fighting Eight Banners, they are not opponents at all.

Because Li Zicheng's peasant army was not trained, it was organized by some people, and it was not considered a profession, and it did not have a certain degree of discipline, so it was naturally not as literate as the regular army.

Mainly because of the strength of the Eight Banners Army of the Qing Dynasty. At that time, the Eight Banners of the Qing Dynasty were the strongest army in East Asia, and they also had muskets, artillery, and were very well equipped. After all, Li Zicheng was a peasant army, and he had no military training, and the discipline of the army was not as strict as that of the Eighth Banner Army, so defeat was inevitable.

The thieves still have combat effectiveness, otherwise they would not have fought bloodily with the Guanning Iron Cavalry to the exhaustion! It's just that the Eight Banners are too strong, crushing the Central Plains army, plus the easy attack, so the battle is decided!

This is because Li Zicheng's righteous army is still a peasant army in name, and its combat effectiveness is still inferior to that of the Eight Banners, plus Li Zicheng's army and Wu Sangui have already fought a big battle, and they are relatively tired, and Li Zicheng did not expect that the Eight Banners Army would join the battle, so it collapsed at the touch of a button and retreated thousands of miles.

There are many factors in this, at that time, Dolgon and Wu Sangui joined forces, and they surpassed Li Zicheng in numbers, and Shanhaiguan was easy to defend and difficult to attack, Li Zicheng fought for many days, and then he was attacked from front to back, and it was impossible to win.

The key is that the leadership group lacks talents, and there are no strategists like Li Shanchang and Liu Ji, so all decisions are made on the head. It turned out that the Ming army against him was also at the level of patting his head, so he could still deal with it. The Qing army was different, the decision-making team was the top talent at that time, and it was definitely not comparable to the green forest and grass, so Li Zicheng did not have the slightest chance of winning.

There is systematic training, just to go to the uprising for food, the starting point is not high, and without too high a goal, it is difficult to achieve great things.

This is a sign of the weather, the horse enters the circle, and there is a jump inside, what kind of great cause does it become, encountering water and grass, can't get out, and you have to be angry.

If you want to take over the world, you have no defense against your biggest opponent, and it is only a matter of time before you fail. If you are not defeated by one stone, you will also be defeated by two or three stones.

Thinking about the problem is not comprehensive, and when fighting Wu Sangui, he did not take into account the Eight Banners Army.

Destroy the emperor and rob the bureaucrats.

When heaven and earth come together, the heroes are not free.

100% unbeatable. The two are not on the same level. The combat effectiveness of the peasants was too low, the Manchu Eight Banners Army was a tiger wolf, the Ming army was a sheep, and the peasant army was just a mouse. Whether it is the best equipment, the quality of the soldiers, the combat effectiveness of individual soldiers, and the combat experience, they are not half a star.

The combat effectiveness of the Chuang Army and the Eight Banners Army is not of the same grade, and every time Li Zicheng's Chuang Army wins, it wins with absolute superiority, such as Lu Xiangsheng, Yang Sichang, Sun Chuanting, Hong Chengchou, Chen Qiyu and other famous generals have defeated the Chuang Army.

Unable to fight, Li Zicheng did not have a formal army and had not undergone rigorous training; There is also Li Zicheng's leadership is not good, the peasant army is independent and undisciplined; If, like Zhu Yuanzhang, a regular army is trained, it can be won.

Li Zicheng's previous victories were completely based on the fact that the Ming Dynasty had been decayed and exhausted, and there was a lack of generals who could fight well (most of them died or were cleared [Yuan Chonghuan] or surrendered to the Qing Dynasty [Hong Chengchou], but it seems that there was no surrender militia), which made Li Zicheng, the militia leader, destroyed, and what you said "thousands of Guanning troops chased tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands of peasant troops to fight" This is also a good proof. The Guanning defense line is definitely a natural danger, and it is not a miracle that the people's army can defeat the Eight Banners by relying on this. Even the regular army of the Ming Dynasty had a hard time fighting in the field, and it was a bit difficult to talk about these militias?!

Can't beat it. Because no matter how many troops Li has, they are just guerrillas, while the officers and soldiers of the Eight Banners are elite soldiers with professional training.

You must know that the peasant army will never be able to defeat the regular army.