Which is better, J 10 or Rafale? J 10 and Rafale that are powerful,

For the time being, the main task of the J10C is to fight in the air and seize air supremacy; Compared to Rafale, the task is more explicit; There are no essential advantages and disadvantages compared with these two fighters, but in terms of cost and logistics support, it is believed that the advantages and disadvantages are very obvious.

As a medium-sized twin-engine fighter, the Rafale's close-coupled canard layout is similar to that of China's J-10 and even J-20. Its thrust-to-weight ratio in air combat is achieved, its excellent instantaneous circling angular velocity makes it agile, and the RBE2 Active Phased Array Radar (AESA) makes it deaf and eye-catching. In addition, up to 14 hardpoints make it versatile, with a maximum internal and external oil volume of up to 12 tons, giving it excellent long-range raid capabilities.

1. As a member of the fourth-generation aircraft, although the "Rafale" has local stealth measures, it cannot be compared with the fifth-generation aircraft, and the J-20 and J-31 are of course at a disadvantage in the face of the future. And when competing with fourth-and-a-half-generation fighters, because the radar performance is limited by the bottleneck of small caliber.

2. In the face of China's J-11D, J-16 and other heavy fighters, the slight advantage of the "Rafale" stealth is easily offset by the overwhelming and unreasonable electromagnetic interference of the opponent's high-power AESA, and the loss of the missile range may make the pilot of the "Rafale" first hear the warning of the "missile approaching" and hang by a thread, which will cause huge psychological pressure on the pilot.

3, from the current J-10C can be drawn that the overall design of the J-10C and the J-10B are basically the same, so it can be judged that the aircraft is meters long, meters high, wingspan meters, empty weight tons, maximum take-off weight tons, maximum speed of Mach 2, maximum overload of 10g, combat radius of 1200 kilometers, maximum range of 3500 kilometers, bomb load of 7 tons, the first equipment on board includes Thunderbolt 9, Thunderbolt 12 and other air-to-air missiles, as well as Thunder 2, Thunder 6 precision-guided bombs, etc.

The biggest improvement of the J-10C has bright spots, firstly, the aircraft is equipped with a more advanced domestic active phased array radar, and secondly, the aircraft is equipped with a domestic turbofan 10 engine, therefore, the J-10C is a complete domestic fighter.

The gust is strong, why do I say that the gust is powerful, it should be that the range of bomb load and the gust are above the J-10, the maneuverability is flat, the J-10 uses the engine of the Su-27, but the J can not cruise at high speed, after all, our J-10 is the engine, and the Rafale is a double engine, saying that there is no comparison, the Su-27 can also fight with the Rafale in combat.

Rafale fighter as the star product of Dassault in France, in recent years, it has also been taking the road of foreign trade, although this fighter can not be stealth, but it sells more hot than J-10, and even the money of a Rafale can buy several J-10, why do countries want to buy Rafale, what is so strange about this fighter?

The combat power is comparable to Rafale, China's J-10C has advanced performance, and Iran may become the first buyer.

Russian expert: The Indian Rafale fighter is very weak, and it can't beat the J-16, and it is not at the same level as the J-20.

Of course you can't beat it! First of all, it is impossible to say whether the Rafale will be able to beat the J-10, let alone the J-20. As a half-military fan, I can tell you that the Rafale's radar was blank, and suddenly a Thunderbolt 15 missile flew in, and then the Rafale was gone.

This is the crushing of the generation gap, and the game is over-the-horizon air combat.

India whimsically claimed that the Rafale fighter could suppress the J-20, and its performance was only comparable to that of the J-10C.

Both the J10 and Rafale are medium fighters that are part of the 4th generation multirole fighter.

It's hard to explain who is great. Because these two fighters are not two fighters developed to seize air supremacy. Both fighters were developed with emphasis on deterrence against air, ground and sea.

Therefore, it will only be encountered under special circumstances, and it will not be encountered under normal circumstances.

France developed Rafale because of its small land area and small defense depth, so Rafale can achieve comprehensive defense with early warning aircraft and ground air radar.

So once a war starts, the two fighters will basically not meet. If it encounters, it means that China's heavy fighters have not killed all the other party's airfields, radars, and early warning aircraft, and there will be fish that have slipped through the net to PKJ10. At the beginning of the war, fighters like the J10 basically did not appear, because the J10 had only 4 air-to-air missiles in 11 hardpoints, two medium-range and two short-range.

This usage rate is simply too low. Rafale, on the other hand, has 14 hardpoints, which can carry a total of six air-to-air, four medium-range, and two short-range. It can even be converted to 10 air-to-air after a simple modification.

Rafale uses RBE2 active phased array radar, with a detection range of 100 kilometers, but the detection angle is only about 70 degrees. Although France is very good, countries that are not enough to buy Rafale do not buy it, so the countries that buy Rafale fighters basically ask to replace Israeli radars.

Both J10A B models use passive phased array radars, with a detection range of only about 70 kilometers, and cannot lock on to dozens of targets like gusts, but the detection wide angle of passive radar can be as high as 120 degrees, emphasizing individual combat capabilities. Because it is very difficult for active radar to search for enemy fighters at a wide angle of 70 degrees in the vast sky, and the probability is very low, the J10A B has an advantage in the probability of being the first to detect enemy aircraft.

The active radar used by the J10C has a performance of half a kilogram, and China has a longer detection range and more tracking targets in France. Therefore, the design ideas of the two fighters are the same, both emphasize the cooperation of multiple arms and weaken the combat ability of individual soldiers.

In terms of missiles, France uses the Karl series, and China uses the Thunderbolt. China has more advantages in range, France is stronger in maneuverability, and it is difficult to say who is stronger and who is weak.

The bomb load of the Rafale is awesome, with the size of the medium model, the bomb load is indeed close to that of a heavy fighter, and there is no fighter in the world that can be more powerful than the Rafale.

In terms of mobility, there is undoubtedly a double Rafale that is more powerful.

So on the whole, if the two fighters really meet under special circumstances, the Rafale should be even more powerful.

Rafale is better than annihilation.

10. J-11 should be half a grade higher.

Rafale is a third-and-a-half-generation fighter, J.

10. J-11 are all third-generation fighters.

J-10 is a combination of Israeli Cub fighters and some Pakistani equipment of the early F16 fighter, and according to China's technical level of development of a fighter, the development time and cycle are much longer than the Rafale, during which it has undergone many modifications. Its positioning is a third-generation fighter.

The original version of the J-11 is the Su-27, which is a typical third-generation fighter, although it has been improved by the Chinese version, it is still a relatively typical third-generation fighter.

The Rafale fighter, like the European Typhoon fighter, is a typical third-generation and a half-generation fighter, and its overall performance exceeds that of the third-generation fighter by a lot, and it has some of the characteristics of the fourth-generation fighter, but it has not completely stepped out of the shadow of the third-generation aircraft, and the reason is not that Dassault or Eurofighter does not have the strength to develop a fourth-generation aircraft, but that European countries have limited investment in national defense, and Europe's defense is not very severe, so they make Rafale and Hurricane according to the maximum cost comparison.

Theoretically divided, annihilated.

10. J10. 1. Mirage 2000, F16, these are third-generation aircraft, Rafale, Tornado, Super Hornet, these are third-generation and a half-generation aircraft.

Annihilate. 10. J10.

1. The Mirage 2000 and F16 were all developed relatively early, and were technically directly positioned on the third-generation aircraft at that time.

Rafale, Tornado, Super Hornet, etc., are all developed on the basis of third-generation aircraft, and have not fully reached the level of fourth-generation aircraft, so they are positioned in three-and-a-half-generation.

Take the J-10C to compare air combat with Rafale, like adults beating children, taking Rafale too seriously.

J-10 is still improving, J-10C and Rafale and the latest F16 models of the comprehensive performance is still a certain gap, whether it is bomb load, range, electronic countermeasures capability, flight control and fire control system! It is estimated that after the advent of the J-10 batch D or J-10E, the comprehensive performance gap of a single aircraft or team will be further narrowed or even the same! More importantly, with the advancement of China's national defense construction, the systematic combat capability of the electromagnetic space of the sea, land, air and space network built by China is also becoming more and more effective (although it is still imperfect), if there is a war around China, the combat capability of the J-10C formation may not be inferior to the Rafale and F16!

Rafale is a twin-engine medium-sized multifunctional fighter developed by France, which has been in service for many years and has various modifications, including carrier-based versions. It is a byproduct of the so-called three-and-a-half-generation Eurofighter program, with good performance. There is no record of export sales.

The Jian-10 is a single-engine light air supremacy fighter developed by China and has recently entered service with China's Air Force. At present, there are no reports of no modified equipment, and there is no record of export sales.

If you fight in a single machine or a small group, the Rafale is stronger than that of the J-10.

But I think your question should be about the recent rumors that Rafale won the bid for India's next-generation fighter program, and this confrontation is interesting. The performance of the Rafale is stronger than that of the J-10, but don't forget, India can't produce its own Rafale, and France can't transfer all the technology to India. J-10 is all domestic.

If you really want to fight, it will not be a one-on-one or small group confrontation. Who's fair with the opponent? Who's going to be one-on-one with your opponent?

That is sure to fight for consumption and system construction. China's production capacity is fully open, and it is full of production J-10 and India take all the foreign exchange to buy Rafale, which speed you say? Without waiting for the Indian plane to arrive, he was taken down.

Besides, it is said that the Rafale will not arrive until 2017, and you say that by that time it is time for the Chinese J-20 to start equipping? Do you think the United States will sell F22 to India? Hehe, this is the confrontation between the outsourcing system and the domestic system.

As far as the current aircraft in service is concerned, the Rafale is quite advanced, although there is still a gap compared to the next generation aircraft in the real sense, but to a certain extent, stealth and super cruise. ** Launch capabilities, avionics, self-defense electronic warfare systems are almost all at the highest level at the moment. The Rafale will be upgraded to AESA radar in the near future, and it has a built-in infrared sensor.

The flight performance is basically the limit without thrust deflection, and the low-speed control ability of the Rafale is at least the same level as the F A-18E F. J-10B, that is, the level of F16CJ, has a certain gap with Rafale.

The performance of the Rafale, its cost performance is still slightly higher than that of the J-10, but if India buys the Rafale, it will be in service in 2015, and if India itself forms the Rafale to be in service in 2017 at the earliest, it is estimated that the J-20 will already be in service in the Air Force by then, then the Rafale will not be able to withstand the power of the J-20! So fear not!

The Rafale fighter is significantly better than the F16, and the performance of the J-10A B is not much different from the F16; Therefore, the overall performance of the J-10 is inferior to the Rafale, and perhaps the upgraded model in the future will be better than the Rafale, after all, the Rafale has no plans to upgrade now and in the future.

The conversion rate of J-10 per second is one and a half degrees faster than that of Rafale, and the speed is also 0.2 faster, so the bye combat performance J-10 is absolutely superior! Single stealth performance is better than J-10! The so-called three and a half generations means that the stealth or radar surpasses the third-generation aircraft but lags behind the fourth-generation aircraft.

China's J-10B can be said to have absolutely no problem with the United States' F35 in close air combat, the F35 is only a shadow with good performance, but the air combat performance is not necessarily better than the J-10. Heavy metal should be used for his aircraft, which belongs to the heavy fighter plane, while the J-10, on the contrary, uses lighter materials. It is a more powerful killer for China to seize air supremacy, and the J-10 will not be retired in the next 20 to 30 years, unless the J-18 J-16 really exists, and the J-20 is just a cover to fool the world.

Rafale is a three-and-a-half-generation aircraft The J-10 is a low-to-mid-range third-generation aircraft, and the gap is still very obvious.

Comrade, we must have the belief of supporting domestic production, and I have learned from all sides that it seems that the ten are good!!

Basic information on French Rafale.

The length of the machine is meters, and the height of the machine is meters.

Wingspan meters. Wing area sqm.

Empty weight 9060

French Rafale fighter ** Appreciation (20 photos) kg (Rafale D) 9670kg (Rafale M).

External weight: 6000kg (normal) 8000kg (maximum).

Maximum take-off weight 21500kg

Maximum level flight speed.

Take-off and landing distance: 400 meters (air combat), 600 meters (ground combat).

Power plant. The Rafale uses the M88 series engine produced by Snakma, an advanced twin-rotor afterburner turbofan engine developed by Snekma for Rafale fighters. Now in service is the M88-2 with a middle thrust of 50kN and a maximum afterburner thrust of 75kN.

Main on-board equipment.

The 780-kilogram avionics, equipped with the Thomson CSF ESDRBC fire control radar, can track 8 targets simultaneously, and can assess threats and determine priority targets for attack.

Maneuverability. Maximum level flight speed (high altitude) Mach, combat radius 1093 - 1852 km (depending on the bomb load and the number of auxiliary fuel tanks).

Airborne**. 1 30-mm cannon, 14 pylons, a maximum bomb load of 9 tons. It can carry cruise missiles, air-to-air missiles, air-to-surface missiles, etc.

Combat radius. 1093 km (low-altitude penetration, 12 250kg bombs, 4 Mika air-to-air missiles, three auxiliary fuel tanks with a total capacity of 4300 liters).

1852 km (long-range air volley, 8 Mika air-to-air missiles, four auxiliary fuel tanks with a total capacity of 6600 liters, 12200 meters altitude).

Limit Overload +

The J-10 is meters long (excluding airspeed tubes).

The height of the machine is meters. Wingspan meters.

The empty weight of the whole aircraft is 8840 kg.

Engine thrust 125kn

Normal take-off weight 12400 kg.

Maximum take-off weight 19277 kg.

Maximum speed Mach 1 (low altitude).

Maximum speed 1250 km/h (low altitude).

Maximum overload 9g

Minimum overload -3g

Take off distance 350 meters.

Landing distance 450 meters.

The maximum range is 3500 km.

Bomb load 7000 kg.

Note Medium-distance coupling, canard layout.