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Updated on history 2024-04-27
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  1. Anonymous users2024-02-08

    If Ma Tan guards the street pavilion according to Zhuge Liang's instructions, if he loses, will he still be beheaded?

    The Battle of Jieting was a decisive battle in Zhuge Liang's Northern Expedition plan in the Romance of the Three Kingdoms. In the end, because of Ma Yan's stubbornness, he missed the opportunity, which made the Northern Expedition fail again. So the military advisor Zhuge Liang endured the pain and cut off the head of Ma Jian with tears.

    Ma Jian is one of the talents that Zhuge Liang admires, and when he talks about the book of soldiers, even Zhuge Liang is ashamed of himself.

    Therefore, Zhuge Liang often talked with him all night, which shows that Zhuge Liang's love for him is not ordinary. If Ma Jian guards the street pavilion according to Zhuge Liang's instructions, if he loses, will he be beheaded? The author does not think that Ma Jian will be beheaded, for the following reasons.

    Ma Tan did not disobey the military order and Zhuge Liang's instructions, and even if the street pavilion was lost, he would not be guilty of death. If Ma Tan kept Zhuge Liang's advice in mind and set up camp at the foot of the mountain with a water source, instead of insisting on going his own way and not listening to dissuasion and setting up a camp on the mountain far away from the water source, then the failure of the Battle of Jieting would not be all Ma Tan's fault. Ma Jian only acted in accordance with the military order, and did not disobey the command of the military advisor Zhuge Liang.

    Even if it fails, there is also the improper strategy of the military advisor. Coupled with Zhuge Liang's appreciation of Ma Tan, the military order to behead Ma Jian would not exist.

    The disparity in combat strength between the two armies was also the reason for Ma Tan's defeat, and Ma Tan's failure to violate military orders was not the most important reason for his defeat. During the war, there was a huge disparity in military strength between the army led by Ma Tan and Zhang He's Wei army. During the Northern Expedition, the main force of the Department was in the hands of Zhuge Liang, and Zhuge Liang appointed the main force to stay in Hanzhong to attack Sima Yi's heavy army in Longxi and other places.

    Therefore, the troops sent to Ma Jian were less than 10,000, while the troops sent by Sima Yi to Zhang He reached as many as 50,000. Such a large disparity in forces gave a reason for the defeat of the Battle of Jieting. Even if he loses the street pavilion, he will not sin to death.

    Ma Jian can complete the task, and there is no need to defend the street pavilion. If Ma Tan followed Zhuge Liang's instructions to set up a village near the water source, even if he failed, he would be "not guilty to death". Zhuge Liang did not intend to let Ma Jian defend to the death, but wanted Ma Jian to drag Zhang He's army, so that the main force of the Northern Expedition had enough time to sweep away the enemy troops holding on to Longxi and other places.

    As long as Ma Tan dragged Zhang He's army, it was equivalent to completing Zhuge Liang's strategic task. From this point of view, if Ma Tan guarded the street pavilion according to Zhuge Liang's instructions, even if he failed, he would have completed the main task without being beheaded.

    The defeat in the Battle of Jieting was also related to Zhuge Liang's obstinacy. When Zhuge Liang attacked Qishan, the soldiers suggested appointing veterans, but Zhuge Liang did not listen to dissuasion, and appointed Ma Yan, with whom he often talked about military affairs all night long, admired very much but had no actual combat experience. Later, Ma Jian violated Zhuge Liang's moderation, gave up the water source with a good battlefield advantage and camped on the South Mountain, and finally returned defeated.

    This is also the fault of the military Zhuge Liang, he was not thoughtful, and the mistake of employing people led to the defeat of the Battle of Jieting. Therefore, Ma Jian will not be beheaded.

  2. Anonymous users2024-02-07

    Probably won't be chopped. Because he acted according to orders, if he failed, it could only mean that the enemy was too strong, and Zhuge Liang had a very good relationship with Ma Yan, and it was very likely that he would not be killed.

  3. Anonymous users2024-02-06

    No. The reason why Ma Tan was killed was "violating the Liang Festival", and the other was to escape, so Zhuge Liang "killed him to thank the public". If he completely follows Zhuge Liang's instructions, the main responsibility lies with Zhuge Liang, and Ma Jian is at most untimely on the spot.

    Though he is still guilty, he is not guilty of death.

    What's more, there is a huge disparity between the enemy and our forces, and it is impossible to hold the street pavilion at all (unless the main force of the Northern Expeditionary Army moves forward). And Zhuge Liang didn't intend to let Ma Tan defend to the death, his task was just to delay Zhang He's army, so that the main force of the Northern Expeditionary Army had time to clean up Shangqi and Longxi, which were still holding on, or the army moved to Jieting and fought a decisive battle with Zhang He. But Ma Jian collapsed too quickly, and he ran away before the strategic task was completed, which caused Zhuge Liang not to kill him this time.

  4. Anonymous users2024-02-05

    No, the main reason why Zhuge Liang beheaded Ma Jian was because Ma Jian didn't listen to the command and lost the important position of the street pavilion, if he went to guard the street pavilion according to Zhuge Liang's command, then even if he failed, Zhuge Liang would not kill him because his subordinates did not hold it, at most it was a demotion punishment.

  5. Anonymous users2024-02-04

    If Ma Jian acted according to Zhuge Liang's instructions, he would generally not be lost, and if he lost again, it would be Zhuge Liang's decision-making problem, and Ma Jian would definitely not be blamed, because Zhuge Liang was still quite optimistic about Ma Jian at that time.

  6. Anonymous users2024-02-03

    No, because according to Zhuge Liang's orders, even if he loses, then it is Zhuge Liang's decision-making problem, and Ma Jian is not to blame. Secondly, Ma Jian has a good relationship with Zhuge Liang. It can be seen from the tears and slashing horses.

  7. Anonymous users2024-02-02

    No, because if he acts according to Zhuge Liang's instructions, even if the responsibility for failure lies with Zhuge Liang.

  8. Anonymous users2024-02-01

    In the section of the lost street pavilion, Luo Guanzhong waved his pen and said that Zhuge Liang instructed Ma Jian to defend the road, and completely threw the pot of the street pavilion defeat on Ma Tan. In fact, according to historical records, only Ma Tan Sheshui was broken by Zhang He's siege, and Zhuge Liang did not instruct Ma Tan to defend this section. It is a fact that Ma Tan is on the water mountain, but Zhuge Liang's instruct to Ma Tan to defend is fiction.

    Speaking of the matter of Ma Tanshe going up the mountain, does Zhuge Liang agree? The answer is that even if Zhuge Liang didn't agree, he must have known and didn't stop it. Why?

    Because Zhuge Liang was very close to the street pavilion at that time, how close was it? A two-hour march. When the street pavilion failed, Zhuge Liang was in **, in the siege of Shangtai, Shangqi City should be halfway up the mountain according to historical description, the mountain is not big, in today's water city Qingshui County, and the street pavilion is in **?

    Today, in the territory of Longcheng Town, Qin'an County, Water City, the two places are about ten kilometers apart. Two or three hours after leaving Zhuge Liang, Ma Tan encountered Zhang He's striker in the street pavilion, and as usual, he had to immediately write to coach Zhuge Liang of his plan to go up the mountain. This journey may have taken less than half an hour to be reported by Tanma, and Zhuge Liang did not reply to stop it after knowing it, nor did he send troops to answer it.

  9. Anonymous users2024-01-31

    I think the loss of the street pavilion should be Ma Yan's mistake, if he could listen to Zhuge Liang's orders to carry out Zhuge Liang's orders, instead of making his own decisions, he would not have lost the street pavilion.

  10. Anonymous users2024-01-30

    The loss of the street pavilion is actually Zhuge Liang's disadvantage, but Zhuge Liang has already seen Ma Jian unpleasantly, so he will tear and kill Ma Tan, after all, Ma Jian is a very good apprentice of Zhuge Liang, but his temperament is also relatively straight, so Zhuge Liang doesn't particularly like Ma Tan, just an excuse.

  11. Anonymous users2024-01-29

    Zhuge Liang's fault. He originally knew that Ma Tan was just a man who talked on paper and had no practical experience at all, but he still had to send him to garrison the street pavilion, which led to the loss of this war, so in the final analysis, it was the fault of the leadership.

  12. Anonymous users2024-01-28

    The direct cause of the loss of the street pavilion was caused by Ma Tan's incompetence, and he needs to be directly responsible, but Zhuge Liang, as the coach, must bear the responsibility for negligence in employing people.

  13. Anonymous users2024-01-27

    It's Ma Tan's fault. Because he did not follow the command, but marched and fought according to his own will, it was his fault.

  14. Anonymous users2024-01-26

    Whose fault is it that Ma Tan lost the street pavilion?

  15. Anonymous users2024-01-25

    There is fault. Because Zhuge Liang has always known that Ma Jian is just talking on paper.

    Although he has extraordinary eloquence and has seen people, he is absolutely not good at fighting.

    However, Zhuge Liang couldn't bear Ma Yan's hard work, and for a while, the relationship between teachers and students overshadowed reason. He gave Ma Tan.

    If it was Zhang Fei or someone else at that time, Zhuge Liang knew that it was impossible, and he would definitely stop it.

    However, Zhuge Liang made a mistake this time, and he put a trace of stain on his god-like image.

    As for Ma Tan's defeat and beheading, it is even more like a mountain of military law, and it is impossible to behead.

  16. Anonymous users2024-01-24

    First of all, I think that Ma Tan lost the street pavilion Zhuge Liang can't be without fault, after all, he agreed with Ma Tan to guard the street pavilion, even if he repeatedly instructed, Ma Tan didn't listen, and the person was also sent by him, how could he be without fault?

    Moreover, the ancestor Liu Bei said when he was alive: This person's words are exaggerated and cannot be used. Zhuge Liang didn't listen, and it was over.

    Moreover, in the official history, "Zhuge Liang resolutely promoted Ma Jian to take on this important responsibility regardless of everyone's opinions", it can be seen that he did not doubt Ma Jian at all, and he was half responsible for the defeat.

  17. Anonymous users2024-01-23

    Give you an outline 1Ma Tan lost the street pavilion It's not wrong to kill him No matter how good the relationship is, it can't do it right, and the military discipline is good.

    2.In the name of an unused person, it cannot but be said to be a mistake to use it knowing that it is not available.

  18. Anonymous users2024-01-22

    Don't use suspicious people, don't doubt people. Zhuge Liang understands this truth very well. Originally, he was a little suspicious of Ma Tan, but he still used it, although he sent Wang Ping but did not give enough rights, so Ma Tan lost the street pavilion and was killed Zhuge Liang bears a certain responsibility.

  19. Anonymous users2024-01-21

    Zhuge Liang is at fault. The mistake lies in the improper use of people. knew that Ma Jian was ambitious and talented, but he still put him in a key place. Although Ma Tan did not do what Zhuge Liang intended, it led to the loss of the street pavilion. But Zhuge Liang didn't use it to people.

  20. Anonymous users2024-01-20

    This is definitely Zhuge Liang's fault first.

    Even Liu Bei felt that Ma Jian couldn't use it, so he reminded him, but it turned out to be used and led to the loss of the street pavilion.

    Maybe a person starts to be conceited when he wins more times.

  21. Anonymous users2024-01-19

    Wrong. On the one hand, this maintained military discipline and left those who opposed Zhuge Liang with nothing to say.

    However, Ling was negligent in employing people, on the one hand, he lost talents, and the strength of Shu was weak.

  22. Anonymous users2024-01-18

    The military order is like a mountain, and Ma Jian made a military order.

    It was his own fault.

    Don't blame Zhuge for killing him.

    He can only blame himself for being too arrogant.

  23. Anonymous users2024-01-17

    Liu Bei had already explained on his deathbed that he could not reuse Ma Yan, but Zhuge Liang seemed to have forgotten. He should be responsible!

  24. Anonymous users2024-01-16

    Employing people is not investigated.

    What's more, Liu Bei has already said that this person is not useful.

  25. Anonymous users2024-01-15

    There is no fault, Ma Jian is not good, Wang Ping doesn't let him go up, he has to go up.

  26. Anonymous users2024-01-14

    No man is born wise or learned... Right and wrong are human beings.

  27. Anonymous users2024-01-13

    In "Romance of the Three Kingdoms", Ma Tan's guarding of the street pavilion was unfavorable, which eventually led to the loss of the street pavilion, so he was beheaded by Zhuge Liang, but in real history, we may have been deceived by Luo Guanzhong, Zhuge Liang did not kill Ma Tan, and Ma Jian finally escaped. We all know that Zhuge Liang is a person who loves talents, and he will not easily kill a person because of a trivial matter, not to mention that Liu Bei was at the time of employing people, even if Zhuge Liang thought about the interests of the entire regime, if he killed Ma Tan, no military general could replace him immediately, so Zhuge Liang would not kill Ma Tan.

    1. Zhuge Liang described in "Romance of the Three Kingdoms". Zhuge Liang can be described as the embodiment of justice in "Romance of the Three Kingdoms". It is precisely because of his strict law enforcement that the people of the entire army only obey orders, and if someone really violates military orders, no matter how much Zhuge Liang loves and cherishes talents, he will never be merciful.

    In order to create this character of Zhuge Liang, Luo Guanzhong described the scene of Zhuge Liang slashing horses with tears. Ma Tan made military exploits at that time, so he left Zhuge Liang's advice behind, which led to the loss of the street pavilion. Zhuge Liang began to tear and slash horses.

    Second, the real street kiosk is lost. After the defeat in the Battle of Yiling, Shu Han was severely damaged. After Liu Bei died of illness, Zhuge Liang felt very ashamed, so after a good rest and recuperation, he prepared for the Northern Expedition.

    The street pavilion is an important pass, almost related to the victory of the entire Shu Han. In fact, Liu Bei reminded Zhuge Liang before, thinking that Ma Jian was flashy and liked to talk on paper, but Zhuge Liang didn't care and still reused Ma Tan.

    3. Records in other historical books. "Romance of the Three Kingdoms: The Biography of Zhuge Liang": "Contrary to the Liang Festival, the behavior was inappropriate, and it was greatly broken by Zhang Tai. More than 1,000 families in Liangbaxi County returned to Hanzhong to thank the public. "So can it prove that Ma Tan was beheaded?

    The Romance of the Three Kingdoms: The Biography of Xiang Lang recorded: "Tan fled, Lang knew that he did not raise it, he hated it, and he was dismissed and returned to Chengdu." ”

    It can be seen that there are two kinds of records in the history books, one is that Zhuge Liang beheaded Ma Tan, and the other is that Ma Jian himself absconded in fear of crime.

  28. Anonymous users2024-01-12

    There are three different records of Ma Tan in the "Chronicles of the Three Kingdoms", Zhuge Liang's statement is that he was executed, while Ma Tan's biography is that he was arrested in prison and died, and Xiang Lang passed on the record that Ma Tan fled.

  29. Anonymous users2024-01-11

    No, he absconded in fear of the crime, and was not directly executed by Zhuge Liang. "Romance of the Three Kingdoms: The Biography of Xiang Lang" recorded: "Tan fled, but Lang did not know about it".

  30. Anonymous users2024-01-10

    Yes, although Zhuge Liang loved talent, in order to establish military prestige and give Liu Bei an explanation, he still executed him.

  31. Anonymous users2024-01-09

    In fact, Ma Tan was not executed by Zhuge Liang after losing the street pavilion, "Romance of the Three Kingdoms" has some discrepancies with the real story, Ma Tan actually fled after the defeat.

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