Gordon s throne and dissatisfaction with Li Hongzhang s surrender? Is it just because of morality?

Updated on history 2024-07-02
20 answers
  1. Anonymous users2024-02-12

    Wrong, it is completely different from the image of Gordon as the spokesperson of imperialism advertised in the textbook, Gordon is a very pure soldier, and the Qing ** hired him to train and lead the Changsheng army, he is just a wage earner of the Qing **.

    As for being dissatisfied with Li Hongzhang's surrender, the only reason was that Gordon was the guarantor of Gao Yunkuan and Cheng Xueqi to negotiate the surrender at that time.

    Because Gao Yunkuan did not give up half of the entire Suzhou City as agreed after surrendering, Li Hongzhang thought that he had two hearts, so he was removed. However, Gordon felt that his guarantor was dead, and his reputation as a guarantor had been greatly damaged, and he thought that Li Hongzhang's move was not in line with chivalry, so he wanted to duel Li Hongzhang with a pistol.

    So it's not out of morality, it's out of Gordon's principles of life.

  2. Anonymous users2024-02-11

    No, it's for the sake of profit, what are these foreigners coming to China for, isn't it just for profit, the foreign guns team didn't take Suzhou, they didn't get anything, and Li Hongzhang was added to the knighthood, so Gordon must be dissatisfied with him.

  3. Anonymous users2024-02-10

    No, it was because he was instigated to hate the Chinese very much in his heart.

  4. Anonymous users2024-02-09

    Why did Li Hongzhang kill the Eight Kings? In general historiography, it can be summarized into the following four aspects.

    First, the theory of pre-surrender.

    Gordon, the party involved in the surrender of Suzhou, believes that the killing and surrender was arranged and carried out by "Li Futai and Cheng Jiang's former military accomplices"; Liang Qichao also believed that Li Hongzhang's killing and surrender incident was a conspiracy in advance.

    There are also many modern scholars who hold similar views, such as Zhou Wu believes that "this matter was premeditated and handled by Cheng Xueqi and Li Hongzhang"; Wang Hongyun believes in the article "The Murder and Surrender of Suzhou and the Contradictions and Conflicts of Gordon and Li Hongzhang" that "the surrender of Suzhou was an act carried out by premeditation".

    Yuan Shuyi believes that in order to prevent the "rebellion of the masses" and eliminate the "danger of the tail not falling", Li Hongzhang conspired with Cheng Xueqi to trap and kill the general;

    Lei Yi believes in the article "The "National Conditions" and "Public Rules" of Killing and Surrendering" that the Eight Kings did not have any signs of rebellion against the "chieftains" at all, but that Li Hongzhang was only worried that the large number of people would be difficult to control, so he adopted such cruel methods of killing and surrendering.

    2. Cheng Xueqi's leading theory.

    Wang Minyun believed that Li Hongzhang was completely unaware of the killing and surrender, "Cheng Xueqi had already put people on the table, counted his crimes, and led to beheading, reporting to Hongzhang, and Hongzhang was shocked."

    Some scholars believe that Cheng Xueqi negotiated with Gao Yunguan because the promise was too high to be fulfilled, so he advocated killing and surrendering instead of surrendering.

    3. The theory that revenge often wins the army.

    Li Hongzhang once told Gordon to let Cheng Xueqi deal with the Taiping army's cunning methods, indicating that Li was unwilling to let Gordon participate in the surrender of Suzhou.

    Li Hongzhang had serious conflicts with Gordon on a series of issues related to the 'victorious army', and in order to eliminate Gordon's excuse of using the successful lure to blackmail himself, Li Hongzhang resolutely decided to surrender.

    Such views can be boiled down to the theory that revenge often wins.

    Fourth, the theory of greed and wealth.

    Suzhou, as the most important ** and logistics ** base of the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom, has a lot of assets.

    Yan Xiu argued in his article "On the Struggle between Gordon and Li Hongzhang on the Issue of Killing and Surrendering" that "Li Hongzhang once extorted money from the eight generals of the Taiping Army, but the eight generals were unwilling to take it out, so Li Hongzhang decided to kill the generals and plunder all their money."

    The Hunan Military Chronicles recorded that "when the state was recovered, the lord reprimanded the sale of waste equipment to 200,000 catties. He rates in the tens of thousands."

    Zhongtang Hefei is thin in the world, and it is normal to kill people for money.

  5. Anonymous users2024-02-08

    Nawang Gao Yongkuan made an agreement with Cheng Xueqi, the chief soldier of Ganzhen, Jiangxi, and promised to guarantee that he would save his life after surrendering. Li Hongzhang had not killed any surrendering generals in the previous suppression of the Taiping Rebellion, so the soldiers in Suzhou believed in him. At that time, there were eight generals and one King Mu, and King Mu did not want to surrender, so Li Hongzhang used Gordon as a guarantee to propose the condition that he could surrender if he killed King Mu.

    The eight generals killed King Mu in exchange for surrendering and not dying. However, Li Hongzhang killed the killer at the banquet where the eight generals met him, and killed the surrendered soldiers in one fell swoop. There are many reasons and theories for this.

    The first is that there are many scholars who believe that this is a pre-surrender. Because in fact, Li Hongzhang didn't believe in the eight generals very much, and doubted whether they surrendered by fraud, and they would rebel again after surrendering for a while. Because Li Hongzhang's younger brother almost died in the surrender of the Taiping Army.

    Before lying on the couch, you can't let others sleep, so that there is a risk that the tail will not fall off. And the number of people is too large to control. Gordon also thinks it was pre-planned by the two.

    The second is Cheng Xueqi's leading theory. Cheng Xueqi persuaded Li Hongzhang at that time, "Today, the thieves are still more than twenty thousand, several times more than our army, and they are afraid of death and beg to surrender in vain. Li Hongzhang didn't know about the ambush and surrender at the beginning, because Cheng Xueqi couldn't meet the conditions proposed by the eight generals when he negotiated with the eight generals, so he decided to kill and surrender instead of meeting the conditions.

    The third is that Li Hongzhang is to take revenge on Gordon, Li Hongzhang and Gordon have a lot of contradictions on the issue of the winning army, and Gordon acts as a guarantee to prevent Gordon from blackmailing himself with this, so he simply kills the chips. Others believe that it is because of the money, in order to take the money of these generals for themselves.

  6. Anonymous users2024-02-07

    There are two possibilities, one is that Li Hongzhang didn't believe in their real avatars in the first place, and had planned to kill them a long time ago; The second possibility is that there are too many prisoners, and Li Hongzhang can't grasp the chaos.

  7. Anonymous users2024-02-06

    Because when the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom rebelled, it was just in time for the British and French forces to invade China, and the foreign enemy could not solve it and there was internal strife, and the person he hated the most at that time was Hong Xiuquan.

  8. Anonymous users2024-02-05

    Because there were still some leaders in the army at that time, if it was said that the tiger would return to the mountain, it would be a hidden danger to the Qing Dynasty in the future.

  9. Anonymous users2024-02-04

    Because these people may still have the intention of rebellion, and if they are not killed, they are likely to leave a disaster.

  10. Anonymous users2024-02-03

    Because there were many prisoners at that time, and there was no place to arrange them, if they were not killed, they were afraid that they would rebel again in the future.

  11. Anonymous users2024-02-02

    Because the Qing court hated the Taiping rebellion, so that in the end, Hong Xiuquan was destroyed by the Qing Dynasty.

  12. Anonymous users2024-02-01

    What if there is another Zhang Xianzhong.

  13. Anonymous users2024-01-31

    To put it simply, it is the result of intrigue within the ** army.

    Li Hongzhang must have used a lot of non-combat means to take Suzhou, including luring surrender, including all kinds of guarantees beyond his own ability; Once these guarantees are used by his own political enemies, once the imperial court judges these generals, it will be enough for Li Hongzhang to drink a pot. That's why I cut it first and then play it.

    Without a witness, how to win this battle depends on one's own mouth, so as to avoid the inconsistency between his own performance and the confessions of the generals, and bring unnecessary trouble to himself. Besides, eighty percent of these generals are dead, and it is better to die in the hands of Li Hongzhang than to be dragged to Beijing to parade through the streets and then Ling Chi.

  14. Anonymous users2024-01-30

    Li Hongzhang, a slave of the dog traitor. Disgusting vile villains, of course.

  15. Anonymous users2024-01-29

    It was because Li Hongzhang remembered that not long ago, his younger brother Li Hezhang was shot in the thigh by the Taiping army who surrendered.

  16. Anonymous users2024-01-28

    He may have his own ideas, and he did it for his own rights.

  17. Anonymous users2024-01-27

    Li Hongzhang was worried that these people would not sincerely return to obedience and would rebel in the future, and this was also Cixi's idea.

  18. Anonymous users2024-01-26

    Li Hongzhang only chose to kill and surrender, not only for military expenses and military merits, but because he was afraid that the tiger would return to the mountain, and it would be even more difficult to clean up these people in the future.

  19. Anonymous users2024-01-25

    It should be Suzhou to surrender. In order to avoid being misunderstood by Zeng Guoquan as going to Nanjing to fight for merit, he did not accept the imperial court's order to go to Nanjing on the grounds that the weather was humid and gunpowder was susceptible to moisture. Instead, he stopped in Suzhou and fulfilled Zeng Jiushuai's exploits.

    He killed the prisoners because he booby-trapped the six long-haired puppet kings who sacrificed the city, and he was afraid that his troops would mutiny, and his military food was difficult and he could not afford to raise so many prisoners, so he was afraid that he would gather again, so he had to slaughter them. Of course, there was also the purpose of showing loyalty to the Qing court.

  20. Anonymous users2024-01-24

    No, he was buried by Cheng Xueqi. Gordon said that Cheng was friends with King Mushan before he surrendered to the Qing Dynasty, and he had promised Gordon that if he caught King Mu and he refused to surrender, he would let Gordon take King Mu away to save his life. King Kemu was killed by those kings and generals.

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