Who is more powerful, Ming Taizu or Timur?

It must be that Ming Taizu Zhu Yuanzhang is more powerful, first of all, among the emperors of the past dynasties, Zhu Yuanzhang's status starting point is the lowest. And he also fought against the violent yuan to restore China, and there is nothing more than this. He is also the best among all the emperors to the people at the bottom, and it is also the history of him who started the civil prosecution of officials.

Zhu Yuanzhang is fierce, most of the founding emperors are as fierce as dragons, it's not that I look down on foreign countries, it's really that those places in West Asia and Eastern Europe don't have any combat effectiveness, one by one looks at the strong body, it's really not good to fight, the Han people look weak, and they are quite professional when they fight, otherwise they can work with Mongolia for so long.

In my opinion, Ming Taizu is even more powerful

They are all the founding kings who created the great empire, and of course Ming Taizu is more powerful in terms of the stability and system of the country.

Generally speaking, the founding monarchs are capable people, if they don't have the ability, how can they start a big business? Zhu Yuanzhang was not only a politician, but also a strategist, with whom Timur could not be compared.

Years later, Timur began to commit the greatest taboo of the expanding empire - the inability to effectively rule the newly conquered regions. There is no way to establish a stable rule, and instability in the rear is a taboo for soldiers. But it is not to occupy people.

2. The conquest of the Golden Horde and India can also be said to be a failure, and there is no reliable ** person left, so that it is impossible to form a strategic form of flanking against the Ming. But it is not profitable.

3. In 1405, when the Timurid Khanate was preparing to attack the Ming Dynasty, it was the Yongle Emperor Zhu Di's accession to the throne not long after, the Ming Dynasty was in a strong stage, both economically and militarily not weaker than the Timurid Khanate, Zhu Di once attacked Annam, and then personally entered the north of the desert to attack Mongolia to prevent future troubles, it can be said that the military is not inferior to the Timurid Khanate, and economically, one is to attack from afar, the other is the local defense, obviously the Ming Dynasty has more advantages in this point.

The Ming Dynasty had strong economic strength and cultural soft power, and the Timurid Khanate was stronger.

The Ming Dynasty was powerful.

Timur went on an expedition to China in his later years, but died halfway through. At that time, although China had just experienced a civil war (the Battle of Jingyan), its national strength was still strong; Moreover, there are many cities, which are easy to defend and difficult to attack, and can be regarded as a military power. Economically, it was more developed than the Timurid Empire, and the most important thing was that the monarch at that time was Ming Chengzu, who was quite experienced in warfare.

Therefore, the Timurid Empire and the Ming Dynasty still could not compete.

If Timur the Great really fought against the Ming Dynasty, Timur would have a better chance of winning.

The national situation is different. Timur conquered many countries by force and established a great empire second only to the Mongols. However, the foundation of the rule was not stable, and various nationalities and sects within the empire rebelled one after another.

The Ming Empire is different, the Chinese nation has always been inherited and orderly national unity since the unification of the Qin and Han dynasties. The people's sense of identity with the country is extremely high. At that time, the Ming Empire was under the leadership of Zhu Di, and its comprehensive national strength was rising, and it was not purely military.

From the perspective of national conditions, Timur's imperial cohesion was not strong, while the overall cohesion of the Ming Empire was not comparable to him.

If Timur does not die and the army continues its crusade to the east, there is a high probability that the army of the Ming Dynasty will be defeated. As a semi-Turkic-semi-Persian ruler, the ** component of Timur's army was very much in the shadow of the overall social environment of Central Asia at that time. Namely:

The growing nomadic power and the oasis city culture that still maintains a certain foundation.

In addition, Timur himself was a super-military leader who established his prestige by virtue of his military exploits, and the social status of armed men in his ruling territory would not be low. The core of Timur's military power was the riverine tribal group composed of the Mongol Western Expeditionary Army and the Turkic vassals. These people largely retained the level of force at the height of the Mongol Empire and enjoyed a very high social status because of their importance.

1405 was the third year after the end of the Jingyan War, and the national strength of the Ming Dynasty may not have reached the peak of the Yongle period, but in the same year, Zheng He's fleet was sent to the Western Ocean for the first time, and it was already seen that the national strength was strong. A number of famous generals such as Zhu Neng and Zhang Fu have already been highlighted in the Battle of Jingjing, and the army has rich combat experience. In 1410, Yongle Emperor Zhu Di began to personally conquer Mongolia five times, and his military prowess was roughly no worse than that of Timur, and his prestige was unshakable.

The army has formed elite units, including 3,000 battalions and 5 battalions of the Shenji Battalion, with a variety of tactics. Timur's labor expedition was complicated, and the ethnic composition of the army was complex, and it was difficult to supply logistics. The Ming Dynasty had sufficient troops, fought locally, had a single nation, and the cohesion of the emperor's personal conquest was even better.

Diplomatically, Zheng He's voyage to the West could unite with Timur's hostile forces and blockade the Persian Gulf by sea. In short, the Ming Dynasty, which was on the rise, could trample on Mongolia at will, not something that Timur could defeat.

The Ming Dynasty had a better chance of winning. First, militarily, the Ming Dynasty's northwest garrison army or the old foundation left by the Northern Expedition in the early Ming Dynasty has a very good combat experience, and secondly, the Ming Dynasty has just experienced the Jing disaster, leaving a group of troops with combat experience and quality in the rear to reinforce at any time. Second, economically, the Ming Dynasty was in a period of recuperation, and after recuperation, the Ming Dynasty already had considerable national reserves, which were enough to support a long-term confrontation, and the first time it went to the West was enough to prove that the Ming Dynasty's national strength was good.

Third, Renjun is Ming Chengzu, with Ming Chengzu's political quality and achievements to mix into China's top ten emperors should not be much of a problem, the monarch's personal ability does not have to worry, and the next Renzong Xuanzong is also not bad, maybe because of the need for war Zhu Di will choose the second as the heir, and his military literacy is also obvious to all. Fourth, the war situation deduced that Timur would unite with the Northern Yuan, when the Ming Dynasty would also use the sea advantage to directly stir its rear, and the confrontation on the frontal battlefield would form a tug-of-war, when the domestic situation of the Timurid Empire was not enough to support the long-term war, the Timurid Empire would eventually collapse, and the historical facts also had a tendency to develop in this direction.

In such a situation of backward transportation conditions, it was not a wise move for Timur to cross the desert and the Gobi and attack a country thousands of miles away, not to mention that the Ming Dynasty was beginning to flourish. Therefore, the Ming Dynasty fought on its own territory and waited for work, and the odds of victory were not as small as some people thought, and the difficulty of Timur's material supply was the key.

The two sides were equal, but the Ming Dynasty had the upper hand. Ming Chengzu and Timurid the Great were both masters of great talent, but the national strength of the Ming Dynasty was stronger, which was the beginning of the prosperous era of Yongle. The Ming Dynasty had a large number of troops, rich combat experience, and a large territory, which had good war extension and inclusiveness, strong logistics capabilities, and stronger national cohesion.

The Ming Dynasty, because the mobilization capacity of the army of the Ming Empire was 1.1 million people, the combat effectiveness was strong, and there were many cities, which were not easy to attack. It is very dangerous to fight against such a country, and it is very difficult to win.

I think the Ming Dynasty will have a better chance of winning, after all, although China has never advocated invading other countries, it will never let other countries trample on it at will.

There will be problems with the logistics of Timur's army to the Central Plains, he will not be able to consume the Ming Dynasty army, he will win in a short time, but it is not conducive to long-term combat, just like the Japanese invasion of China, which is not conducive to long-term combat

If it is in the Hexi Corridor, it is almost certain that Zhu Di will win, if it is in Xinjiang, it will be five or five points, and if it is in the north of the Altai Mountains, Timur will win.

Timur the Great had a better chance of victory, because of his relatively high social status and military power.

The Mongols in their heyday attacked the Southern Song Dynasty in the weak period and fought for decades, not to mention that Timur, who was much worse than Mongolia, fought against the Ming Dynasty!

Timur the Great had a better chance of victory, because his counter-military forces were better than those of the Ming Dynasty.

It should be that Timur the Great will win, after all, the Ming Dynasty at that time was not very strong.

I think that although the Ming Dynasty has no famous generals, but the integrity of the Chinese nation is there, how can you admit defeat?

Timur the Great, because at that time the Ming Dynasty was not as prosperous as the Tang Dynasty.

At the beginning of the 14th century, the Chahatai Khanate was divided into two parts, the eastern and western regions. In 1370 the lame Timur became monarch. Occupy the whole territory of Chahadai, conquer Persia, Khorezm.

Invasion of Iraq, Russia. Occupation of India, Turkey. With Samarkand as its capital.

At that time, the Ming Dynasty was the Ming Dynasty Chengzu period. It was the heyday of national power. It's just that Timur died of illness during the expedition.

The danger of war is now gone.

<> "If Timur didn't die, could he destroy the Ming Dynasty?"

Timur was the founder of the Timurid Empire, conquering Persia, defeating the Delhi Sultanate, defeating the Mamluks, and defeating the Ottoman Empire at the Battle of Ankara.

It can be said that Timur had many achievements in his life, and his military talents were very amazing.

In 1404, Timur set his sights on the Ming Dynasty, but he died of illness in February 1405, so if Timur had not died, would he have been able to defeat the Ming Dynasty?

Timur wanted to destroy the Ming Dynasty with many obstacles, and the long distance was enough for the army to drink a pot.

It is very likely that more than half of the dead and wounded will be killed or injured before they reach China, and if you want to use it, you will have to pass through the great desert, and that kind of extreme climate is not something that ordinary people can bear.

The second is military spending, we all know that it costs a lot of money to fight a war, and money represents the best equipment and food.

The second is that there is a strong barrier on the road, which means that if you want to lead the army to the Central Plains, you must first break through the defense line of other ethnic groups on the road, and it is impossible for other ethnic groups to say that you will bring hundreds of thousands of troops to pass by at or near the gate of his country, who knows what your intentions are.

If you want to cross the northwest road, you must highlight the barrier of the northwest ethnic group who is powerful and bent to get to the Central Plains.

The third is the strength of the Ming Dynasty. As one of the most powerful dynasties in ancient times, the Ming Dynasty was defeated, and its combat effectiveness must not be comparable to that of ordinary countries.

Timur would also be overthrown by other uprisings soon after, because the Chinese nation is very resilient, the only nation in the world that has not been broken, and it cannot be easily defeated.

has never fought, in fact, it is Zhang Fei who beats Yue Fei, and there is never a conclusion.

Defeat! Timur's set may be the right way to deal with the West Asian people who are accustomed to being brave and ruthless, but it may not be applicable to the oriental countries that are good at strategy, and the impact of logistics may be decisive.

I don't deny that there is a national ideology at work, and I hope it will help you.

Zhu Yuanzhang will win. Central Asian countries have no history of conquering China, and when the Ming Dynasty was a place where the scheming generals and capable soldiers were useless, anyone who touched it would be bloody.

At that time, the Battle of Jingyan had just ended, and the people of the Ming Dynasty were not aligned, and Timur supported the Yuan Dynasty clan, coupled with the residual power of the Mongolian iron cavalry.