Lu Shang and Sun Wu, Sun Wu and Lu Shang are older?

This is a matter of achievement, Sun Wu's "The Art of War" has achieved the highest achievement in this field, of course, he is the saint of soldiers.

For example, in the early Tang Dynasty, Sijie even wrote poems before, and they wrote poems before Li Bai, why is the poet immortal Li Bai instead of them?

The first condition for becoming a saint is to think about people.

Confucius was a saint because he was worried about the loss of etiquette and pleasure for the people of the world.

The reason why Du Fu is a saint is because he is angry about the displacement of the people in the world.

Neither of them wanted to rely on their own actions to achieve status, but out of genuine humanity.

In the same way, Sun Tzu is also, the only purpose of his entire art of war is to stop killing, and the text even explains that the soldiers who go to the army to fight and conquer without a fight are also good people. He is not thinking about fame, he is naturally a saint.

Zhuangzi has already said in the Getaway that the sage is nameless.

And Jiang Taigong's Liutao (assuming that he really wrote it and passed it down) I think it is definitely not to teach future generations how to stop killing, but how to kill.

Hehe, the book "Liutao" has not been handed down, and later generations say that it was written by Lu Shang, so it is impossible to judge.

Besides, Lu Shang is actually an excellent politician, and now most people may have watched the Romance of the Fengshen and thought that he was very strong in war, which is the same as watching the Romance of the Three Kingdoms and thinking that Zhuge Liang was particularly strong in military affairs.

The value of "Liutao" is not as good as "The Art of War", and the authors of "Liutao" cannot be sure that they are Lu Shang and Jiang Ziya

The Soldier Saint is the honorific title for the person who has achieved the highest achievement in the art of war so far, and perhaps before Sun Wu, Lu Shang was the most accomplished person who was called the Soldier Saint. But after Sun Wu appeared, his achievements were the highest, so Sun Wu was called the Saint of Soldiers.

"Liutao" is made in the name of the pseudo-Tuo Lushang of later generations, which is not enough to rely on.

Sun Wu c. 545 BC – 470 BC.

Lü Shang 551 BC - 479 BC.

So it should be Sun Wu.

Sun Wu c. 545 BC – 470 BC.

Jiang Ziya, c. 1156 BC – c. 1017 BC.

Sima Sui Tho and Sun Wu were both in the Spring and Autumn Period, both of them were theoretical military strategists and war practitioners, and both left behind the famous art of war, they are Sima Fa and Sun Tzu's Art of War, just looking at the art of war, you can't see who is strong and who is weak. In the case of no distinction between the top and the bottom, only a duel is possible. During the winter vacation, I watched a feature film on scientific and technological knowledge, which contained the content of the animal master Armageddon, like lions, tigers, crocodiles, great white sharks, pythons, leopards, etc., researchers through reasonable imagination, through a certain scene to make the fighters compare, it is indeed very exciting.

So if you want to know who is powerful, you have to go through the battlefield to find out. If 10,000 people are allocated to the two respectively, they can strictly control the army, fight with high momentum, occupy the terrain advantage, no matter who can win, it is also in response to the sentence, the brave will win when they meet on a narrow road.

As an aside, it was Montgomery and Rommel who really met on the battlefield. As for the battles between many other famous generals and famous generals, most of them are fake, like the big tear in the Romance of the Three Kingdoms.

Sun Wu and Sima Sui Tho are both members of the Tian family, and they are close in age, and Sima Sui Tho is Sun Wu's cousin. Both of them are famous for their military affairs, but Sun Wu's achievements in "military exploits" are greater, and compared with the works handed down by the two **, "The Art of War" is also more complete than "Sima Law". Therefore, it makes sense that Sun Wu is called a soldier saint as a junior.

Overall, it should still be Sun Wuqiang's.

If the surname Lu has been living in Shandong, then it is possible, if it was moved from the Western Zhou Dynasty, it would definitely not be.

The surname Lu comes from the surname Jiang, with the country as the clan, and its ancestor is Lu Hou, that is, Lu Shang, also known as Jiang Ziya. According to legend, the ancient tribal leader Emperor Yan of the Shennong clan was called Jiang because he lived in the Jiangshui River Basin, so he took it as his surname. Later, the Qiang people surnamed Jiang developed four clans"Siyue", the Lu tribe is one of them.

The leader of the tribe was named the Marquis of Lü in the summer and established the vassal state of Lü (in present-day Nanyang, Henan). In the Spring and Autumn Period, the State of Lü was destroyed by the State of Chu, and its descendants took the country as their clan, called the Lü family, and the history called the surname Lü Zhengzong. In ancient times, in Xincai, Henan Province, there was another Lu country, known as Donglu in history, which was actually a branch of Nanyang Lu country.

In the Spring and Autumn Period, Donglu was destroyed by the Song Dynasty, and its descendants also took the country as their clan and called the Lu family.

Jiang Taigong clearly recorded only three grandsons in the history books.

Lv Heng, Lv Ji, Lv De.

There is a grandson named Jiang Xi, and I don't know anything else.

Guan Yu (?) Han Chinese. Born in the Eastern Han Dynasty during the reign of Emperor Huan Yanxi, the word cloud is long, the word is long, and he is a good person in Hedong (now Yuncheng, Shanxi).

It has always been the object of folk worship, a famous general of Shu Han during the Three Kingdoms period, a former general, a marquis of Hanshou Pavilion, and a military strategist. After his death, he was respected by the people, and experienced the praise of the imperial court, and was regarded as the emperor of Guan Sheng, and Buddhism called Jialan Bodhisattva, and honored as "Guan Gong". A famous general of Shu during the Three Kingdoms period.

He was revered as a "martial saint" by later rulers, and was on a par with Confucius, who was known as the "literary saint". Later generations have poems praising Guan Yu: an outstanding military strategist and strategist of Shu during the Three Kingdoms period.

In addition, Guan Yu is also regarded as a benefactor god by Taiwanese compatriots.

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