Why was Han Xin able to win the battle against the water, but Ma Tan lost the street pavilion

The key to the battle was that Han Xin had another army around the Zhao army camp and replaced all its banners with the Han army flags. Therefore, the simple last battle has never succeeded, and Han Xin's success has been overlooked.

People are different from others, one is brave and strategic, and the other is impetuous. The tragedy of the latter is self-inflicted, so it is said that character determines fate.

How can Han Xin be compared to Ma Yan, just like a child and an adult!

I thought that the success of all tactics would depend a lot on who your opponent is.

Ma's defeat was because his opponent was Sima.

It's like the national football team can almost win against the Maldives without any tactical national football, but the tactical national football team can't win against Brazil.

Xu Huang and Ma Tan went in the wrong direction at the beginning, and they forgot the most basic strategy of camping, how could they win in the end.

Han Xin was fully prepared before he fought against the odds. And Xu Huang and Ma Tan fought against the odds when they were desperate, and of course they couldn't be as successful as Han Xin.

Because of the different opponents, Xu Huang and Ma Yan's opponents are both brave and strategic, while Han Xin's opponents have no strategy.

In fact, the real reason is also very simple, first, the purpose of Han Xin's backwater battle is to create time and space for Zhang Er's "strange soldiers", in order to "attack", and the main purpose of Ma Tan stationed in the street pavilion is to "defend", in these two cases, the psychology of the soldiers in a desperate situation will naturally be different, one is to take the initiative to attack, the other is to passively defend, and the result will of course be different.

Second, Han Xin has absolute prestige in the army, at this time Han Xin has already become a general who commands thousands of troops, the soldiers are full of confidence in Han Xin, no matter how Han Xin commands, the soldiers firmly believe that they will be able to win this battle, and Ma Tan has never led the troops alone before, and the soldiers have doubts about Ma Tan's ability, and this difference in mentality is also a major reason for the final result.

Third, under the influence of Han Xin's backwater, later generations have already had experience and lessons in this tactic, and Zhang He is also a generation of famous generals, so he has already cracked such a tactic, so when Ma Tan began to plan to fight with his backwater, in fact, the defeat was already decided.

Putting it to death and then reliving depends on the level of the generals on both sides, and some people who read history say that this thing has been used indiscriminately by many generals who are not of sufficient level, and they have all been defeated. It is only feasible for the enemy to underestimate the enemy, and the commander-in-chief of the own side can greatly boost the morale of the army. Han Xin's backwater array and Cao Cao's 10-sided ambush to break Yuan Shao's backwater array have two things in common, that is, first pretend that the army is weak, and the enemy generals go fishing, and then the soldiers suddenly find that there is no way back.

As long as the opponent's commander is alarmed in time and changes his pursuit to strictly defend the exit and trap the enemy, the enemy's army will not be able to set up a dead place in a short time, and will lose its combat effectiveness due to lack of physical strength caused by lack of food and water, coupled with panic. In the first battle of Jieting, Zhang He was an experienced general, and Ma Jun died on the ground to ask for his own hardships, and at the beginning, let people know that you were in the place of death, Zhang He trapped you, and let your army slowly lose its combat power and attack you again. If you are more clever, you will even encourage the opposing soldiers to surrender, so that the opposing soldiers' original will to die will become surrender.

In the siege of Xiaxia, Han Xin and Zhang Liang's method of breaking the enemy was used"Embattled"to make the Chu army completely collapse. Sun Tzu proposed to put the place of death and survive, so Wu Zi advocated the siege of the city, that is, the siege of the city should not be encircled, so that the enemy army still has an escape route without full resistance, and then ambush on that road. But I don't know if this operation is more difficult or what, it is easy for people to escape, or the later generals do not want to care about the life and death of the people in the city, I feel that many generals in later generations will not use it, and the siege often ends up with a large number of people in the city dying due to lack of food.

Since Sima Yi attacked Liaodong in the Three Kingdoms era, many times the besieging army dug ditches to besiege the city, and then built a heavy earthen wall, making it difficult for the people in the besieging city to fly.

Ma Tan's loss of the street pavilion is a metaphysical idea, Ma Tan is a good person on paper, but lack of actual combat experience, he took the initiative to choose unfavorable terrain to camp (lack of water on the mountain) to reduce the chances of victory for his own army, leaving an opportunity for the Wei army, this is a rigid and rigid combat thinking, and the final defeat is a matter of course;

In fact, the ambush was behind the enemy's camp, and when the enemy attacked the main formation, the ambush suddenly occupied the enemy's camp, and then attacked the enemy inside and out, and successfully put the enemy army under the pincer offensive. Although Han Xin is older than Ma Tan, his combat strategy is clever and ingenious, and he is good at adaptation, and he is not confined to the style of military books. Sun Tzu said:

Soldiers, treacherous ways. ......Profit and temptation, chaos and take, real preparation, strong and avoidant, looking at Han Xin's war example, it can be seen that the essence of Sun Tzu has been understood.

To sum up, the book of war is a classical historical book, and there is a gap between it and the actual situation, not to mention that through the continuous history of war, soldiers recognize that combat is a high-risk, variable art, and detailed strategy in advance may not be completely unsuitable for the ever-changing battlefield situation, so a successful general must not be a rigid and pedantic nerd, but a wise and courageous, action-oriented, far-sighted, non-conformist and handsome.

Let me tell you what I personally think: first, the nature of the two is different, Han Xin put it to death, Ma Tan did not, he gathered his troops on the high ground (mountain) thinking that he could master better terrain and facilitate the battle, so he was besieged by the enemy; The second point is that the people's hearts are not aligned, the time and place are favorable, and people are the most important, Han Xin's backwater battle can inspire the soldiers to die if they don't advance, Ma Tan himself is trapped in the mountains and has been opposed by everyone, he can fight against the city but he is looking for a dead end, and people will naturally resent him. The same thing is like Sima Zhao being besieged by Jiang Wei on the mountain and cut off water and food, but he can inspire the fighting spirit of the soldiers to break through the siege, also because the soldiers are loyal to him.

All in all, I think that fighting a war or doing anything is a matter of people's desire, no matter how difficult it is for the people to be united, they can succeed, and no matter how good the form is, the war of liberation is the best example. Ma Tan ignored the persuasion around the situation at that time, and if he lost the hearts of the people, no one was willing to give up his life and forget his life to follow, so he naturally could not achieve the goal of putting his life to death and then live.

Personal opinion ...

Ma Jian talks on paper, he has no ability, even if he fights against the water, he can't win. Can you compare with Han Xin?

The real battle to destroy Zhao is not at all what is recorded in "The Biography of the Marquis of Huaiyin".

Ma Tan is in a hurry to follow the power, and Han Xin is planning to act later, how can the result be the same.

Prepare your position by the river in advance and wait for the enemy to attack, so that you can win. Is there enough time to be chased by the enemy and then set up a formation?

The results will change over time, in the environment

The key to Han Xin's backwater battle is to avoid the real and attack the false, is Ma Tan okay?

Above, we briefly talked about the process of killing Ma Tan, in fact, Liu Bei told Zhuge Liang before he died that Ma Jian was exaggerated and could not be used. So how do we understand this sentence now? I feel that in layman's terms, this person loves to brag, and the theories he says are exaggerated and untrue, and the imagination and look are very beautiful, but it is difficult to implement.

Later, the actual situation also proved that Liu Bei's fear was true, so the question arises again, why is it recorded in the history books that Ma Jian was proficient in the art of war and very smart? Then it feels like Zhuge Liang's concept of employing people and recognizing people, most of Ma Tan's strategies and ideas are still in the theoretical stage, and he may occasionally talk to Zhuge Liang on paper and praise for a suggestion, such as Shengyonghong's first battle Zhuge Liang tasted the sweetness of Ma Tan's suggestion, and he comprehensively integrated the cognitive view of this person, and the recognition of being too paranoid is a disaster.

Because Ma Tan mistakenly thought that he was in an advantageous position, but he didn't expect that his water source was cut off, so he would fail.

Han Xin, the Marquis of Huaiyin, is a famous general in ancient times, known as the "soldier immortal", and is very good at using soldiers, unlike Ma Jian who just talks about soldiers on paper like Zhao Kuo, so naturally he can't fight against the water like Han Xin.

Because Ma Tan did not adapt to local conditions and ignored the problem of no water source in the mountains, he would fail.

Because at that time, the will to fight of the Shu Han army was already very low, after all, they had not drunk water for several days, and they did not want to fight at all.

Because Han Xin is talented, even if he takes risks, he is well thought out. And Ma Tan is simply a person who talks on paper, and he just died on his impulse and without careful consideration, so he really died.

Because Han Xin fought against the water and combined the strategy of the right time, place and people, and Ma Tan only referred to the records in the war book, but did not observe the terrain and environment on the spot, so Han Xin won a big victory, and Ma Tan was defeated.

Because Ma Tan was not as flexible as Han Xin, he did not adapt to local conditions and ignored the problem of no water source on the mountain.