If Ma Tan hadn t lost the street pavilion back then, what would have happened to the Three Kingdoms?

Updated on history 2024-02-09
20 answers
  1. Anonymous users2024-02-06

    The Three Kingdoms are still the Three Kingdoms, and there will not be much change.

    Because the Wei State is strong, it will not be destroyed because of the failure of a battle, and at the same time, the rabbit dies and the fox is sad, and the Wu State will not sit idly by and watch the Wei State be destroyed, because the Wei State will die, and the Wu State will be in danger, so if the Wei State is in danger, it will definitely ask for help from the Wu State, even if the alliance between the two countries is close, the Wu State will inevitably attack from behind for its own survival, so even if the street pavilion is not lost, Zhuge Liang will fail.

    From a strategic point of view, the national strength of Shu is actually very empty, even if there are thousands of miles of fertile fields in Chengdu, it can not withstand long-term warfare, and the wooden ox and horse can speed up transportation, but it is by no means a magical future technology, and its role is limited. Moreover, ancient warfare was people-oriented, and the dead needed time to give birth, grow, and train to replenish, while Zhuge Liang was reckless all year round and waged war continuously, which was itself to repay Liu Bei's irrational behavior.

    Strategically unfeasible.

    The most important thing is that even he himself said to him in Longzhong that he could only win when "Wei has a change" and the two ways can be won, but at this time, can Jingzhou soldiers "fight at the same time" with him?

  2. Anonymous users2024-02-05

    The Three Kingdoms could not escape and return to Jin. But the street pavilion is not lost, nothing has changed for the overall situation, Zhuge Liang's Northern Expedition will definitely fail, but for Ma Yan, it will change a lot, Ma Tan will become Zhuge Liang's successor, above Jiang Wanfei Yi and Jiang Wei, maybe Wei Yan will not be killed, but I don't know whether the time of the fall of Shu is advanced or delayed.

  3. Anonymous users2024-02-04

    According to the Romance of the Three Kingdoms or according to the Romance of the Three Kingdoms?

  4. Anonymous users2024-02-03

    Don't be deceived by "Romance of the Three Kingdoms", Ma Tan actually lost to Zhang He in the street pavilion, not Sima Yi. In "Romance of the Three Kingdoms", Zhuge Liang used a discord strategy to get Cao Rong to remove Sima Yi from his post before the first Northern Expedition, and then troops went out of Qishan. Cao Rong successively ordered Xiahou Nan and Cao Zhen to lead the army to meet them, but they were all defeated by Zhuge Liang.

    In the end, Cao Rong had no choice but to reactivate the removed Sima Yi and order him to face Zhuge Liang. And Sima Yi did not live up to Cao Rong's expectations, defeated Ma Tan and captured Jieting, forcing Zhuge Liang to withdraw his troops.

    Because "Romance of the Three Kingdoms" is widely circulated, many people have the impression that Ma Tan was defeated by Sima Yi, and Zhang He just followed Sima Yi to participate in the Battle of Jieting.

    However, this is just a ** family statement, in fact, the battle of the street pavilion has nothing to do with Sima Yi. In history, when Zhuge Liang was on the first Northern Expedition, Sima Yi sat in Wancheng and was in charge of the military affairs of Jing and Henan, and was not dismissed. Since Sima Yi was mainly responsible for defending and controlling Eastern Wu in Nanjun and other places in Wancheng, he was not aimed at the Shu army.

    Moreover, during Zhuge Liang's Northern Expedition, there was a rebellion in Mengda, and Sima Yi was busy quelling the rebellion.

    Therefore, after Zhuge Liang's Northern Expedition, Cao Rong took Cao Zhen and Zhang He to Chang'an, but Sima Yi did not follow, but continued to stay in Wancheng to prevent the Wu army from taking advantage of the fire to loot.

    On the other hand, before starting the Northern Expedition, Zhuge Liang deliberately said that he would attack Yixian County with his troops out of the Xiegu Valley, and ordered Zhao Yun and Deng Zhi to lead part of the Shu army to enter the Kei Valley, bluffing, and disguising themselves as the main force of the Shu army. Yixian is the gateway to Chang'an, and Chang'an is the political center of Wei in the Guanzhong region, so Cao Zhen threw the main force of the Wei army to meet Zhao Yun in person.

    In the spring of the sixth year, (Zhuge Liang) raised his voice to take the Yi from the Xiegu Road, making Zhao Yun and Deng Zhi suspicious troops, and according to the Kei Valley, the Wei general Cao Zhen rejected them.

    However, what Cao Rong didn't expect was that at this time, Zhuge Liang led the main force of the Shu army out of Qishan and attacked Longyou. Since the main force of the Wei army in Guanzhong was in Keigu, Longyou was empty, and the Shu army was able to seize Nan'an, Tianshui, Anding and other places. Yongzhou assassin Guo Huai could only lead the army to retreat to Shangqi and wait for rescue.

    Only then did Cao Rong know that he had been fooled. However, the location of Yixian was extremely important, and Cao Rong did not dare to immediately transfer the main force to Longyou, so he ordered Cao Zhen to continue to lead the army to fight against Zhao Yun, and Zhang He led part of the Wei army to Jieting. On the one hand, Zhuge Liang divided his troops to pacify the city where Longyou was still resisting, and on the other hand, he ordered Ma Tan to go to Jieting to block the Wei army, and the Battle of Jieting broke out.

    The emperor sent Zhen to supervise the army and sent Zhang He to attack the general Ma Yan.

    Originally, because the main force of the Wei army was still contained by Zhao Yun, the troops led by Zhang He should not be much. If Ma Tan can be stationed at the intersection of the street pavilion, the possibility of blocking Zhang He is still quite large.

    However, Ma Jian violated Zhuge Liang's deployment and led the army to the mountain to defend. As a result, the waterway was cut off by Zhang He, and the Shu army was shaken by the lack of water, so it was defeated, and finally the street pavilion was lost.

    Relying on the South Mountain, not under the city. Knock it out, hit it, and break it.

    So in fact, the Battle of Jieting was completed by Zhang He independently, and it had nothing to do with Sima Yi. The sad thing is that in the romance, this credit goes to Sima Yi, but Zhang He has become a supporting role.

  5. Anonymous users2024-02-02

    In "Romance of the Three Kingdoms", Ma Tan lost the street pavilion, and the street pavilion is in the current place (Hail, Longcheng Town, 45 kilometers northeast of Qin'an County Hall).

    According to the "Qin'an County Chronicle": "The northeast hundred miles are called Gaomiao Mountain, and it is called Danmayu, so Danmayi is also. It is said that the broken mountain, its mountain should be the balance of the north and south of the Yang, and it is completely in the middle, and it is not connected with the mountains, and it is connected with the river, that is, the Ma Tan overturned the army. The source refers to the vertical.

    FYI.

  6. Anonymous users2024-02-01

    Jieting is located in Longcheng Town, 40 kilometers northeast of Qin'an County, Tianshui City, Gansu Province, 8 kilometers away from the town core of Dadiwan Ruins, is a wide about 6 kilometers, up to more than 10 kilometers of Chongkai open area, is the throat of the land of Guanlong, the strategic position is very important, and has become the place where the soldiers of the past dynasties have to fight. During the Three Kingdoms period, the Battle of Wei Shu Street Pavilion took place here.

  7. Anonymous users2024-01-31

    When it comes to the street pavilion of the Three Kingdoms, it seems that everyone knows that it is a key landmark of Zhuge Liang's first Northern Expedition. Ma Tan carelessly lost the street pavilion, and Zhuge Liang's first Northern Number and Expedition also ended in failure. This shows the importance of the street pavilion to this battle.

    But if you ask what exactly is important about it, I'm afraid many people won't come up. So where is the geographical location of the kiosk, and why is it so important? Let's listen and analyze it slowly.

    When Zhuge Liang attacked Qishan during the first Northern Expedition, he appointed Ma Tan, a member of the army, to lead the army to garrison Jieting to resist the attack of Zhang He, a famous general of Cao Wei. Before leaving, Zhuge Liang repeatedly told Ma Jian to act cautiously. Who knew that Ma Jian turned his head and forgot about it, and did not listen to Zhuge Liang's warning.

    He should have chosen a town under the mountain that was more conducive to fighting, but he led his army to climb the South Mountain, which was far away from the water source, to defend it. Zhang He was overjoyed when he arrived, and surrounded the whole mountain, first cutting off the water source of the Ma Tan army on the mountain, and then taking advantage of the exhaustion of the Ma Tan army, he launched a surprise attack, and the Ma Tan army was instantly defeated, and the defeat was like a mountain. The street kiosk was lost.

    After Ma Tan lost the street pavilion, Zhuge Liang lost an important stronghold, it was difficult to attack, it was difficult to retreat, and he had no strength to fight again. The First Northern Expedition, which was originally very well prepared, failed because of the loss of the street pavilion. Zhuge Liang had no choice but to behead Ma Yan, and because of this, the place of Jieting became famous from then on.

    The geographical location of the street pavilion has been basically identified in Longcheng Town by many surveys by the academic community in later generations.

    Longcheng Town is located in Qin'an County, Gansu Province, Dalongshan West Ranbi side, 45 kilometers away from the county seat. It is located at the junction of Zhangjiachuan, Qingshui and Qin'an counties, on both sides of Dalong Mountain, in the upper reaches of Qingshui River, and is known as "China's famous historical and cultural town" because of its many places of interest and historic sites. In the Han Dynasty, it was the famous South Avenue of the Silk Road.

    The soldiers of all dynasties regarded it as a military key point that could be attacked and defended by retreat, and became an ancient battlefield for the competition of heroes. However, two thousand years have passed since the Three Kingdoms era at the end of the Eastern Han Dynasty, during which the terrain has been constantly changing, and the ancient street pavilion has long been unrecognizable and difficult to distinguish. Only in the northwest kilometers of Xue Li Chuan, found a crossbow machine cast with the word "Shu", it can be vaguely determined that the battlefield at that time was here, the crossbow machine is now in the Gansu Provincial Museum.

    At that time, the camp where Ma Tan was stationed was more than 2,000 meters above sea level, with an area of thousands of square meters, and the top could accommodate 10,000 people, which was an important strategic place. Now Longcheng Town's streets are lined with chess and transportation, and it has become an important place for the Quartet economy.

  8. Anonymous users2024-01-30

    According to archaeological certification, Wangjiachuan, Longcheng Town, 40 kilometers northeast of Qin'an County, Tianshui City, Gansu Province, has unearthed an "iron pot" with the words "Zhuge Wuhou System, Prime Minister of the Han Dynasty"; At the same time, crossbow machines, horse spurs, knives, spears, armor and other weapons engraved with the word "Shu" were also unearthed nearby. Therefore, it is determined that the street pavilion in the Three Kingdoms period is the territory of today's Qin'an County.

  9. Anonymous users2024-01-29

    Street Pavilion is located in Gansu Province, Tianshui City, Qin'an County, 45 kilometers east of Longcheng Town, Juchan, for the Lizheng shouting dust generation soldiers must fight for the place, with the strategic position of gaining and losing, the right of safety and danger.

  10. Anonymous users2024-01-28

    The street pavilion is in Longcheng Town, 45 kilometers east of Qin'an County, Tianshui City, Gansu Province.

  11. Anonymous users2024-01-27

    The Jieting area is located in Longcheng Town, 45 kilometers east of Qin'an County, Tianshui City, Gansu Province. See.

  12. Anonymous users2024-01-26

    If Ma Tan hadn't lost the street pavilion, Zhuge Liang's first Northern Expedition would still have failed, but the results would have been much greater.

    Many people strangled that Zhuge Liang's first Northern Expedition fell short because Ma Tan lost the Street Pavilion, but in fact, Zhuge Liang's Northern Expedition did not have an advantage, even if he held the Street Pavilion, it would be difficult to block the next attack of the Wei army.

    In terms of troop comparison, the Shu army was at a disadvantage.

    The strength of the Northern Expedition of the Shu Army is not recorded in the history books, and we can only speculate one or two from the historical materials. At the time of the fall of Shu Han, there were still 102,000 soldiers in the country, but this included the troops stationed in various places, and the mobile troops of the Shu army commanded by Jiang Wei were only "40,000 or 50,000 foot cavalry", considering the previous battle losses, the maximum number of troops that could be mobile in the late Shu Han period was only about 60,000.

    During Zhuge Liang's first Northern Expedition, the national strength of Shu Han was stronger than that of the late Shu Han Dynasty, and the number of Shu troops should be larger. However, we should note that at the time of the First Northern Expedition, Li Yan of Yong'an still had a considerable number of troops under him. When Cao Zhen attacked Shu, Li Yan led an army of 20,000 to Hanzhong to assist in the defense, and Zhuge Liang was able to master this army.

    Although Wei underestimated the Northern Expedition of the Shu Army, there were many Hu people in Yongliang and two prefectures, and there were often rebellions, so there were many garrisons in the two places. And Chang'an was also the pillar of Wei in the Guanzhong region, and there must have been a considerable number of garrisons. After the Northern Expedition of the Shu Army, Emperor Cao Rong of Wei Ming personally led 50,000 troops to reinforce, and at this time in the area of Guanzhong and Longyou, the Wei army had an advantage in strength.

    What's worse is that the combat effectiveness of the Shu army is also difficult to compete with the Wei army at this time.

    After the defeat of Yiling, the Shu army suffered heavy losses, losing many generals and veterans. After Zhuge Liang took charge of the military, after 6 years, the Shu army was restored to a certain extent, and the troops of the Battle of Nanzhong were also trained, but compared with the Wei army, there was still a considerable gap, and they did not win in several battles.

    We should note that the deployment of the Wei army was based on the general Cao Zhendu to meet Zhao Yun in Yixian, Zhang He attacked Jieting, and Cao Rong personally sat in Chang'an as the backup, so it seems that the Wei army commanded by Zhang He was not the main force, but should only be the vanguard. Although the battle of Jieting was mainly due to the deployment error of Ma Tan, it was still defeated in the face of the Wei army's forward, which shows that there is still a considerable gap between the combat effectiveness of the Shu army and the main force of the Wei army at this time.

    Even the Shu army did not have an advantage in the face of the local troops of the Longyou Wei army. Three of the five counties of Yongzhou in Longyou rebelled, but there was still resistance from the Wei army in Longxi and Guangwei. Zhuge Liang once sent a section of the Shu army to attack Longxi County, but was repelled by the army led by Longxi Taishou You Chu.

    And Guo Huai, the assassin of Yongzhou, led the Yongzhou troops to defeat the Shu general Gao Xiang in Lieliucheng.

    In this case, even if Ma Tan succeeded in blocking Zhang He in the street pavilion, the Shu army would not be able to pacify Longyou, which would not be completed in a short time. And once Cao Zhen defeats Zhao Yun, then the main force of the Wei army can rest assured that the main force can boldly advance westward, and in the face of the superior Wei army, how long the Shu army can continue to hold the Jieting is a question.

  13. Anonymous users2024-01-25

    If Ma Tan hadn't lost the Street Pavilion, then it was very likely that Wei's supplies and reinforcements would not be able to keep up. Zhuge Liang's Northern Expedition may have been successful.

  14. Anonymous users2024-01-24

    If Ma Tan hadn't lost the Street Pavilion, then Zhuge Liang would have been able to better attack Cao's camp. And it is possible to go north successfully.

  15. Anonymous users2024-01-23

    Then he will already be famous, have the emperor's appreciation, and from then on he will reach the pinnacle of life, be awarded an official position, and reward a mansion, and he will not end tragically as in history.

  16. Anonymous users2024-01-22

    It is very likely that Shu Han will be able to dominate the world, and the Northern Expedition of Jieting without losing Zhuge Liang is very likely to be successful, and it will not affect Zhuge Liang's cultivation of second-echelon generals.

  17. Anonymous users2024-01-21

    I think that if Ma Tan really succeeds, then Shu Han will get most of the territory in the northwest, and even threaten Chang'an.

  18. Anonymous users2024-01-20

    Now it is in Kaifeng, Henan, this place, the name of the street pavilion has not changed, you can go to Kaifeng when you go to take a stroll.

  19. Anonymous users2024-01-19

    Now it is in a small county town in Changsha, Hunan, and it is also a tourist attraction, and everyone likes to go there to check in.

  20. Anonymous users2024-01-18

    This place is located in Longcheng Town, northeast of what is now Qin'an County, Gansu Province.

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